The Wedding Feast (~19.49) - Moriel Ministries
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Letters & Comments<br />
Your Letters and<br />
Comments<br />
AMERICAN LETTERS<br />
My church is going through some hard<br />
times, with the younger crowd looking for<br />
something more appealing. Like the article I<br />
forced Danny to write the $250K we spent on<br />
portable, state-of-the-art stage, lighting and<br />
sound equipment for our church move into a local<br />
Cinema is proving his thesis. I was reading<br />
this article by Don Veinot (http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/convergence)<br />
and spotted an<br />
article Don quoted from:<br />
That change shows strongly in small<br />
groups, for 40 years the backbone of the church<br />
and in some 93 percent of US Churches (according<br />
to Beyond Mega church Myths from<br />
Jossey Bass Publishers). <strong>The</strong> aging of small<br />
groups (”Group Movement Showing its Age,”<br />
Washington Times, 2-15-09) stands in contrast<br />
now to what younger seekers don’t like about<br />
them — including “reading assignments and<br />
Q&As” over relational learning.<br />
This “...relational learning...” hit me in<br />
the face at the last small group leaders meeting<br />
last week, when we were told that we were<br />
now “Life Groups” that would be relating to<br />
each other by talking about what the pastor<br />
spoke on the previous Sunday. Oh, and as an<br />
afterthought, for those of us studying the Bible,<br />
there was still a place for that too! I am so tired<br />
of hearing about yelling matches at board meetings,<br />
tired of seeing the needed crews of 15 or<br />
more just to set up and break down the stage<br />
spectacular each week dwindle, tired of the detestable<br />
music continue week after week, etc. I<br />
don’t have it in me to stand up and fight (I guess<br />
I am what the pastor has termed “...turtles that<br />
need to be prodded”), so I am choosing to stand<br />
up and leave. I consider my home fellowship<br />
to be “church” anyway. I have listened many<br />
times to “Fundamentals of Ecclesiology” and<br />
am trying to structure my home group around:<br />
1. Teaching Apostolic doctrine (kerygma, ho<br />
melia, exhortation)<br />
2. Fellowship<br />
3. <strong>The</strong> Lord’s Supper<br />
4. Prayer<br />
Providentially, there is a church just<br />
7 minutes from my house where Arnold<br />
Fruchtenbaum used to speak, Irvine Community<br />
Church (http://www.irvinecommunitychurch.<br />
org/2009/). <strong>The</strong> church shares the building<br />
with Ha Davar <strong>Ministries</strong> (http://hadavar.org/)<br />
which has a very good Messianic teacher (Bob<br />
Morris)...a number of people from my church<br />
have landed there and give it a good report.<br />
Please pray for my wife and myself as we seek<br />
the Lord for a new church home.<br />
John D<br />
RESPONSE<br />
When you use entertainment and/or hype<br />
to draw people, you will need more of the<br />
same to keep them. Otherwise your competitor<br />
churches will put on a bigger and better freak<br />
show and you will lose customers.<br />
This is what the Bill Hybels junk, the Rick<br />
Warren junk, the consumerist Robert Schuler<br />
junk, and the Fuller Seminary/C. Peter Wagner<br />
trash has produced.<br />
You are left with a consumerist philosophy<br />
of enterprise driven by marketing and marketing<br />
psychology whereby competing with the<br />
world on the world’s terms has rather resulted<br />
in the transfer growth of churches competing<br />
with each other instead of competing with the<br />
fallen world. <strong>The</strong> world, false religions, cults<br />
etc. continue to flourish in the face of the ineffective<br />
church growth strategies of men which<br />
are pursued at the misguided behest of biblically<br />
ignorant leaders at the expense of biblical<br />
missions & evangelism, discipleship, and the<br />
teaching of the World of God.<br />
<strong>The</strong> practical adaptation of any human<br />
mechanism in ecclesiology must be firmly<br />
subordinated to the doctrines and principles<br />
of scripture. Instead, Lucifer has raised up his<br />
aforementioned servants beginning with Norman<br />
Vincent Peel and using them to direct the<br />
church into an open apostasy via everything from<br />
ecumenism & word-faith to the neo Montanism<br />
of Toronto/Pensacola/Lakeland & Maclaren’s<br />
Emergent church. We know where it ends<br />
‘Babylon the Great’ just as we are warned, only<br />
these devils tell us to avoid biblical prophecy.<br />
It is not only your church caught up in this and<br />
what you witness locally in your church is but<br />
a microcosmic reflection of the bigger picture.<br />
What you describe is tragically and frankly<br />
shamefully typical, and as you know it is something<br />
<strong>Moriel</strong> and some others have tried to warn<br />
about for years.<br />
My other fear is that when Chuck Smith is<br />
no longer in a position to hold things at relative<br />
bay with the force of his legacy, many (and I<br />
mean many) Calvary Chapels will be caught up<br />
in this tide of rubbish. Indeed, it is quite obvious<br />
that courtesy of figures like Gale Irwin too<br />
many Calvary Chapels are drifting in this direction<br />
already.<br />
Jacob Prasch<br />
Hi <strong>Moriel</strong> & Jacob,<br />
I’ve been wanting to write this thank you<br />
letter for a while now and finally got around to<br />
it. I just wanted to thank you for all your information<br />
and biblical teaching. I’ve been on a<br />
rollercoaster ride of faith ever since God got my<br />
attention about 5 years now. My former pastor<br />
and another mentor nearly on a couple occasions<br />
brought me in the Kingdom Now and the Benny<br />
Hinn stuff. Your site and a couple other sites<br />
that are linked on your page really saved me a<br />
lot of confusion and taught me quite a bit. Honestly<br />
I wish I could put all of this into words but<br />
at the moment but I can’t. Thank you for God’s<br />
influence working through you and your ministry<br />
and helping me see the lies of that mess.<br />
I wish I could say more for the city of Anchorage.<br />
A great deal of the “church” up here<br />
is under the teachings of men like Randy Clark<br />
and associates. Not only that, but also a even<br />
darker type of falsehood under a fellow Alaskan<br />
by the name of Art Mathias and Wellspring<br />
<strong>Ministries</strong>. This group produces a book of<br />
prayers and methods to “pray” away bad emotions/issues<br />
and uses scripture like Proverbs<br />
14:30; 17:22 to make the point that emotions<br />
are what cause bad health conditions. That if<br />
we remove those things like bitterness we will<br />
have healthy bones. Obviously it’s insane.<br />
I was recently kicked out of my church by<br />
my former pastor because of challenging him<br />
on teachings as well. I thank you specifically<br />
for your teachings on the “Gifts of the Spirit”<br />
and “Preparing for Persecution.” Both have<br />
helped me quite a bit as of late and the idea of<br />
“sitting alone” at times is clear in my mind. But<br />
thankfully God is always with us and His teachings<br />
have given me great comfort.<br />
Once again thank you for your ministry<br />
and God Bless all of you for what you do!<br />
D W<br />
Anchorage, Alaska<br />
AUSTRALIAN LETTERS<br />
Hello MG<br />
Do you notice how magazines (such as<br />
yours) talk of the plight of Israel and the total<br />
BIAS of the world’s media? Sure you do. Are<br />
these publications not talking to the converted -<br />
in most cases? I mean, I get hot under the collar<br />
when I read the obvious bias (read “lies) about<br />
Israel, from the “free (sic) press” - but what<br />
comes of that?<br />
In MY case, and probably yours, it urges<br />
more fervent and heartfelt prayer for the tiny<br />
Nation, which is the Lord’s peculiar nation.<br />
Good thing too. But how about we try to start<br />
a worldwide, concerted effort to get more (millions<br />
more) Christians praying for a breakthrough<br />
in FAIR REPORTING? Is this not<br />
showing our love and care for HIS land? It<br />
will be asked, and perhaps rightly so: “Where<br />
does one find that directive in the Holy Word of<br />
God?” Worldwide momentum in lesser things<br />
begin with just a serve as this ....“If TWO on<br />
Earth agree ...”<br />
I’m going to wait and see what your considered<br />
opinion is before launching out into the<br />
deep with a plan to ask or seek the participation<br />
of other mags and publications, who share our<br />
love for Israel. OK, we can be sure that most of<br />
your readers are now praying for Israel; but can<br />
we suggest that these people (and their earthly<br />
contacts of the same ilk) begin to mention the<br />
“Media Issue” in their prayers, as a matter of<br />
34 <strong>Moriel</strong> Quarterly • December 2009