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Letters & Comments<br />

Your Letters and<br />

Comments<br />

AMERICAN LETTERS<br />

My church is going through some hard<br />

times, with the younger crowd looking for<br />

something more appealing. Like the article I<br />

forced Danny to write the $250K we spent on<br />

portable, state-of-the-art stage, lighting and<br />

sound equipment for our church move into a local<br />

Cinema is proving his thesis. I was reading<br />

this article by Don Veinot (http://midwestoutreach.org/blogs/convergence)<br />

and spotted an<br />

article Don quoted from:<br />

That change shows strongly in small<br />

groups, for 40 years the backbone of the church<br />

and in some 93 percent of US Churches (according<br />

to Beyond Mega church Myths from<br />

Jossey Bass Publishers). <strong>The</strong> aging of small<br />

groups (”Group Movement Showing its Age,”<br />

Washington Times, 2-15-09) stands in contrast<br />

now to what younger seekers don’t like about<br />

them — including “reading assignments and<br />

Q&As” over relational learning.<br />

This “...relational learning...” hit me in<br />

the face at the last small group leaders meeting<br />

last week, when we were told that we were<br />

now “Life Groups” that would be relating to<br />

each other by talking about what the pastor<br />

spoke on the previous Sunday. Oh, and as an<br />

afterthought, for those of us studying the Bible,<br />

there was still a place for that too! I am so tired<br />

of hearing about yelling matches at board meetings,<br />

tired of seeing the needed crews of 15 or<br />

more just to set up and break down the stage<br />

spectacular each week dwindle, tired of the detestable<br />

music continue week after week, etc. I<br />

don’t have it in me to stand up and fight (I guess<br />

I am what the pastor has termed “...turtles that<br />

need to be prodded”), so I am choosing to stand<br />

up and leave. I consider my home fellowship<br />

to be “church” anyway. I have listened many<br />

times to “Fundamentals of Ecclesiology” and<br />

am trying to structure my home group around:<br />

1. Teaching Apostolic doctrine (kerygma, ho<br />

melia, exhortation)<br />

2. Fellowship<br />

3. <strong>The</strong> Lord’s Supper<br />

4. Prayer<br />

Providentially, there is a church just<br />

7 minutes from my house where Arnold<br />

Fruchtenbaum used to speak, Irvine Community<br />

Church (http://www.irvinecommunitychurch.<br />

org/2009/). <strong>The</strong> church shares the building<br />

with Ha Davar <strong>Ministries</strong> (http://hadavar.org/)<br />

which has a very good Messianic teacher (Bob<br />

Morris)...a number of people from my church<br />

have landed there and give it a good report.<br />

Please pray for my wife and myself as we seek<br />

the Lord for a new church home.<br />

John D<br />

RESPONSE<br />

When you use entertainment and/or hype<br />

to draw people, you will need more of the<br />

same to keep them. Otherwise your competitor<br />

churches will put on a bigger and better freak<br />

show and you will lose customers.<br />

This is what the Bill Hybels junk, the Rick<br />

Warren junk, the consumerist Robert Schuler<br />

junk, and the Fuller Seminary/C. Peter Wagner<br />

trash has produced.<br />

You are left with a consumerist philosophy<br />

of enterprise driven by marketing and marketing<br />

psychology whereby competing with the<br />

world on the world’s terms has rather resulted<br />

in the transfer growth of churches competing<br />

with each other instead of competing with the<br />

fallen world. <strong>The</strong> world, false religions, cults<br />

etc. continue to flourish in the face of the ineffective<br />

church growth strategies of men which<br />

are pursued at the misguided behest of biblically<br />

ignorant leaders at the expense of biblical<br />

missions & evangelism, discipleship, and the<br />

teaching of the World of God.<br />

<strong>The</strong> practical adaptation of any human<br />

mechanism in ecclesiology must be firmly<br />

subordinated to the doctrines and principles<br />

of scripture. Instead, Lucifer has raised up his<br />

aforementioned servants beginning with Norman<br />

Vincent Peel and using them to direct the<br />

church into an open apostasy via everything from<br />

ecumenism & word-faith to the neo Montanism<br />

of Toronto/Pensacola/Lakeland & Maclaren’s<br />

Emergent church. We know where it ends<br />

‘Babylon the Great’ just as we are warned, only<br />

these devils tell us to avoid biblical prophecy.<br />

It is not only your church caught up in this and<br />

what you witness locally in your church is but<br />

a microcosmic reflection of the bigger picture.<br />

What you describe is tragically and frankly<br />

shamefully typical, and as you know it is something<br />

<strong>Moriel</strong> and some others have tried to warn<br />

about for years.<br />

My other fear is that when Chuck Smith is<br />

no longer in a position to hold things at relative<br />

bay with the force of his legacy, many (and I<br />

mean many) Calvary Chapels will be caught up<br />

in this tide of rubbish. Indeed, it is quite obvious<br />

that courtesy of figures like Gale Irwin too<br />

many Calvary Chapels are drifting in this direction<br />

already.<br />

Jacob Prasch<br />

Hi <strong>Moriel</strong> & Jacob,<br />

I’ve been wanting to write this thank you<br />

letter for a while now and finally got around to<br />

it. I just wanted to thank you for all your information<br />

and biblical teaching. I’ve been on a<br />

rollercoaster ride of faith ever since God got my<br />

attention about 5 years now. My former pastor<br />

and another mentor nearly on a couple occasions<br />

brought me in the Kingdom Now and the Benny<br />

Hinn stuff. Your site and a couple other sites<br />

that are linked on your page really saved me a<br />

lot of confusion and taught me quite a bit. Honestly<br />

I wish I could put all of this into words but<br />

at the moment but I can’t. Thank you for God’s<br />

influence working through you and your ministry<br />

and helping me see the lies of that mess.<br />

I wish I could say more for the city of Anchorage.<br />

A great deal of the “church” up here<br />

is under the teachings of men like Randy Clark<br />

and associates. Not only that, but also a even<br />

darker type of falsehood under a fellow Alaskan<br />

by the name of Art Mathias and Wellspring<br />

<strong>Ministries</strong>. This group produces a book of<br />

prayers and methods to “pray” away bad emotions/issues<br />

and uses scripture like Proverbs<br />

14:30; 17:22 to make the point that emotions<br />

are what cause bad health conditions. That if<br />

we remove those things like bitterness we will<br />

have healthy bones. Obviously it’s insane.<br />

I was recently kicked out of my church by<br />

my former pastor because of challenging him<br />

on teachings as well. I thank you specifically<br />

for your teachings on the “Gifts of the Spirit”<br />

and “Preparing for Persecution.” Both have<br />

helped me quite a bit as of late and the idea of<br />

“sitting alone” at times is clear in my mind. But<br />

thankfully God is always with us and His teachings<br />

have given me great comfort.<br />

Once again thank you for your ministry<br />

and God Bless all of you for what you do!<br />

D W<br />

Anchorage, Alaska<br />

AUSTRALIAN LETTERS<br />

Hello MG<br />

Do you notice how magazines (such as<br />

yours) talk of the plight of Israel and the total<br />

BIAS of the world’s media? Sure you do. Are<br />

these publications not talking to the converted -<br />

in most cases? I mean, I get hot under the collar<br />

when I read the obvious bias (read “lies) about<br />

Israel, from the “free (sic) press” - but what<br />

comes of that?<br />

In MY case, and probably yours, it urges<br />

more fervent and heartfelt prayer for the tiny<br />

Nation, which is the Lord’s peculiar nation.<br />

Good thing too. But how about we try to start<br />

a worldwide, concerted effort to get more (millions<br />

more) Christians praying for a breakthrough<br />

in FAIR REPORTING? Is this not<br />

showing our love and care for HIS land? It<br />

will be asked, and perhaps rightly so: “Where<br />

does one find that directive in the Holy Word of<br />

God?” Worldwide momentum in lesser things<br />

begin with just a serve as this ....“If TWO on<br />

Earth agree ...”<br />

I’m going to wait and see what your considered<br />

opinion is before launching out into the<br />

deep with a plan to ask or seek the participation<br />

of other mags and publications, who share our<br />

love for Israel. OK, we can be sure that most of<br />

your readers are now praying for Israel; but can<br />

we suggest that these people (and their earthly<br />

contacts of the same ilk) begin to mention the<br />

“Media Issue” in their prayers, as a matter of<br />

34 <strong>Moriel</strong> Quarterly • December 2009

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