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Execution <strong>and</strong> trade<br />
capture in the new<br />
regulatory environment<br />
What are SEFs <strong>and</strong> OTFs?<br />
Challenges <strong>and</strong> issues in<br />
achieving compliance<br />
<strong>TRANSFORMING</strong><br />
<strong>THE</strong> derivatives LANDSCAPE<br />
ISSUE 1 | 2011
welcome<br />
Welcome to FOA InfoNet<br />
Grappling with regulation, or rather with its possible impact, is the major headache faced<br />
by the industry today. And it is no longer the regulatory or legal specialists in the field who<br />
are having to keep an eye on what regulators <strong>and</strong> politicians are up to <strong>and</strong> report to their<br />
business heads. Those same business heads themselves are more engrossed than ever with<br />
what is happening in Brussels <strong>and</strong> on Capitol Hill. And it is easy to see why.<br />
Making sense of the, sometimes conflicting, flow of proposals emanating out of the various authorities in<br />
Washington as they seek to establish the rules around the Dodd-Frank Act, <strong>and</strong> then comparing those with what<br />
the European regulators are drafting, is a full-time job. So much so, that one of the speakers at the InfoNet session<br />
covered in this issue has embarked on a new career doing just that. Roger Barton, who was Managing Director of<br />
Tradeweb at the time, has since set up a consultancy service providing regulatory advice for market infrastructures<br />
<strong>and</strong> banks looking to assess the impact the impending changes will have on their businesses.<br />
Much has been written <strong>and</strong> commented upon about the clearing of OTC derivatives. Up until recently, less has<br />
been discussed about the bringing of the same OTC derivatives into a more transparent <strong>and</strong> structured execution<br />
environment. With the emergence of details on swap execution facilities (SEFs) <strong>and</strong> their securities equivalents,<br />
the industry has been taking note of what will be required under the CFTC rules in the way of transparency,<br />
multilateral execution, transaction reporting <strong>and</strong> so on. The fact that these rules are not always in line with what<br />
the SEC has written is, in itself, something of a trial. As EU rules on organised trading facilities (OTFs) – which may<br />
include SEF-type structures – have yet to be penned, this adds to the scratching of heads.<br />
As this report illustrates, the future shape of execution of OTC derivatives (not to mention what this means for<br />
firms <strong>and</strong> exchanges in the listed derivatives space) is far from clear. So we can expect a great deal more debate on<br />
the topic.<br />
It also links neatly with the subject of the next InfoNet gathering – The FCM Business Model in the Changing<br />
Global Environment. What role will execution brokers from the ETD world have to play as OTC products move to<br />
new platforms? What role can traditional FCMs play in the cleared OTC business? And what do these seismic shifts<br />
in market infrastructure mean for their revenue streams? If you are unable to make the next meeting on 10 May,<br />
the report that follows that event will provide some answers.<br />
In the meantime, as ever, feedback is always welcome. And you can provide it or find out more about<br />
forthcoming events by contacting Bernadette Connolly: connollyb@foa.co.uk; +44 20 7090 1334, or by visiting<br />
www.foa.co.uk/events<br />
Emma Davey, Director Membership <strong>and</strong> Member Services<br />
davey@foa.co.uk<br />
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Contents<br />
4 InfoNet post-event report:<br />
Transforming the derivatives l<strong>and</strong>scape.<br />
What will execution <strong>and</strong> trade capture look<br />
like in the new regulatory environment?<br />
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18 FOA Events Calendar<br />
The InfoNet team<br />
Emma Davey<br />
Director, Membership <strong>and</strong> Member Services, FOA<br />
davey@foa.co.uk<br />
+44 (0)20 7090 1348<br />
Bernadette Connolly<br />
Corporate Events Manager, FOA<br />
connollyb@foa.co.uk<br />
+44 (0)20 7090 1334<br />
David Setters<br />
Contango Markets<br />
david@contango.co.uk<br />
+44 (0)7710 271291<br />
A report on the fifth FOA InfoNet:<br />
Transforming the derivatives l<strong>and</strong>scape. What will execution<br />
<strong>and</strong> trade capture look like in the new regulatory environment?’<br />
Moderator<br />
Emma Davey<br />
Director, Membership<br />
<strong>and</strong> Member Services,<br />
FOA<br />
Guest speaker<br />
Roger Barton<br />
Managing Director,<br />
Tradeweb<br />
Guest speaker<br />
Stuart Anderson<br />
Vice President,<br />
Black Rock Multi<br />
Asset Client Solutions<br />
Industry panel<br />
Dr Jeremy Bezant<br />
Partner <strong>and</strong> Chief<br />
Marketing Officer,<br />
RFQ-hub<br />
Industry panel<br />
Steve Grob<br />
Director of Group<br />
Strategy, Fidessa<br />
Industry panel<br />
Benjamin Smith<br />
Senior Manager,<br />
Oliver Wyman<br />
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Emma Davey We’ve heard a lot about the clearing of<br />
OTC derivatives in the past year or two. That has been the<br />
major driver from a regulatory point of view in terms of<br />
reforming derivatives markets. Less has been said to date,<br />
however, about the execution part of the chain.<br />
Regulators on both sides of the Atlantic are keen to<br />
see OTC derivatives, not only cleared through CCPs,<br />
but also executed on recognised execution facilities<br />
or trading platforms of one form or another. But the<br />
market is still waiting for details on all of this.<br />
The comment period for SEFs, or swaps execution<br />
facilities, heralded by the Dodd-Frank Act, ended on 8<br />
March. There is not much clarity over OTFs, the organised<br />
trading facilities put forward by regulators in Europe.<br />
By a number of accounts, only about 5 per cent of<br />
OTC derivatives are currently traded electronically.<br />
How much of the rest of the market will shift? Will it<br />
actually shift? Are the systems capable of doing the<br />
things that the regulators want them to do <strong>and</strong> so on?<br />
An interesting issue has been around the regulatory<br />
appetite for disciplining the market <strong>and</strong> imposing<br />
thresholds for when something should migrate <strong>and</strong><br />
when it shouldn’t. But no thresholds have actually been<br />
set, so again, there’s a lot of confusion there.
Are regulators best qualified to be doing that kind<br />
of thing?<br />
Our two guest speakers tonight are Roger Barton,<br />
Managing Director of Tradeweb, <strong>and</strong> Stuart Anderson,<br />
Vice President of BlackRock Multi Asset Client<br />
Solutions. The panel includes Dr Jeremy Bezant, partner<br />
<strong>and</strong> Chief Marketing Officer of RFQ-hub, an electronic<br />
multi-asset request for quote <strong>and</strong> electronic trading<br />
platform for listed <strong>and</strong> OTC derivatives. Jez was also<br />
previously Head of Structured Products <strong>and</strong> Derivatives<br />
for Aviva investors, <strong>and</strong> part of his role there was<br />
oversight <strong>and</strong> execution of their derivatives trading<br />
globally, so he has two angles to come from. Steve Grob<br />
is Director of Group Strategy at Fidessa <strong>and</strong> Ben Smith is<br />
a Senior Manager from Oliver Wyman <strong>and</strong> a co-author<br />
of a recent Morgan Stanley/Oliver Wyman report on the<br />
future of capital markets infrastructure.<br />
Stuart Anderson One question that continually comes<br />
up when looking at OTC regulation is what are the main<br />
differences between the European process under EMIR<br />
<strong>and</strong> the American process under Dodd-Frank? As a dual<br />
national of British <strong>and</strong> American descent, I consider<br />
myself neatly placed to answer some of these questions.<br />
The accepted wisdom is that regulation is driven by a<br />
rational appraisal of the national market infrastructure<br />
<strong>and</strong> a desire to avoid problems that in some cases have<br />
been caused by the OTC markets over the past few<br />
years. It follows then that any differences in approach<br />
<strong>and</strong> implementation must come about through the<br />
individual peculiarities of the local swap markets <strong>and</strong><br />
the legal framework in which they operate. I’m not so<br />
sure this is the case, however. My suspicion is that these<br />
regulatory variations are more driven by fundamental<br />
differences in the national character of Europeans <strong>and</strong><br />
Americans. Let me explain.<br />
The first <strong>and</strong> most obvious difference between Dodd-<br />
Frank <strong>and</strong> EMIR is one of timing. The Dodd-Frank Wall<br />
Street Reform <strong>and</strong> Consumer Protection act was signed<br />
by President Obama on 21 July 2010. The CFTC <strong>and</strong> the<br />
SEC have 12 months from this date to write the detailed<br />
second stage legislation, <strong>and</strong> they’re progressing<br />
currently at a furious pace. Although Gary Gensler<br />
recently made comments that the implementation<br />
period for the regulation could extend significantly<br />
beyond the initially indicated 60-day period, it seems<br />
likely that the vast majority of those rules will in fact<br />
be drafted by the July 2011 deadline. The European<br />
time line is progressing at a slightly slower pace <strong>and</strong><br />
more in line with the G20 governmental commitments<br />
to clear <strong>and</strong> execute trades on platforms by the end<br />
of 2012. EMIR itself was drafted <strong>and</strong> proposed on 15<br />
September 2010 <strong>and</strong> despite being more narrowly<br />
focused on OTC derivatives than Dodd-Frank, it’s not<br />
expected to be finalised until halfway through 2012,<br />
with implementation possibly stretching well beyond<br />
this. But this considerable difference in timing really<br />
shouldn’t come as a surprise to any of us, when we<br />
consider the French desire to spend an entire evening<br />
eating a single meal, compared with the American<br />
obsession with fast food.<br />
Further proof, if we need any, comes in an<br />
examination of the space race. On 25 May 1961<br />
President Kennedy made a commitment to put a man<br />
on the moon by the end of the decade. Just as with<br />
Dodd-Frank, the timeframe was extremely ambitious<br />
<strong>and</strong> many people said unachievable. Of course there<br />
“What are the main differences<br />
between the European process<br />
under EMIR <strong>and</strong> the American<br />
process under Dodd-Frank?”<br />
were setbacks <strong>and</strong> delays along the way, like the Apollo<br />
1 fire which killed three pilots, but they persevered<br />
<strong>and</strong> learnt from their mistakes <strong>and</strong> achieved their<br />
goal on 20 July 1969, almost exactly 41 years to the day<br />
before Dodd-Frank was signed into being. In contrast,<br />
the European Space Agency is operating at a slightly<br />
slower pace, as you would expect. As part of the Aurora<br />
programme, they proposed to send a man to the moon<br />
by 2018, but to date their achievements have been<br />
limited to crashing the unmanned SMART-1 probe onto<br />
the lunar surface in 2006, so let’s just hope the same<br />
fate doesn’t await EMIR.<br />
Of course some of the variation in timing can be<br />
attributed to the budgets of the respective agencies.<br />
This brings me to my second point of funding. There’s<br />
currently a political fight going on in the US Congress<br />
between the Democrats <strong>and</strong> the Republicans around<br />
funding for the CFTC <strong>and</strong> the SEC. Democrats seem<br />
likely to beat back the bill passed recently that cuts<br />
the CFTC budget by over a third, but even including<br />
these cuts, the agency’s annual budget is well in excess<br />
of $100 million. On top of this, if Gary Gensler gets<br />
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his way, CFTC staffing levels will increase to almost<br />
1,000 people. In Europe, the newly created European<br />
Securities <strong>and</strong> Market Authority (ESMA), which will<br />
serve as the overarching regulatory authority, has an<br />
annual budget of just E17 million <strong>and</strong> employs some<br />
58 staff. Recognising, perhaps, the gap with their US<br />
counterparts, this figure is set to grow to 89 by 2013.<br />
Once again, a cursory look at the two space agencies’<br />
funding levels should have prepared us for this<br />
disparity. NASA’s budget for 2011 came in at $19 billion<br />
<strong>and</strong> employed around 18,000 staff, <strong>and</strong> the European<br />
Space Agency, in contrast, employed 2,000 staff <strong>and</strong> had<br />
an annual budget of E4 billion. This might explain why<br />
Europe is still crashing probes into the lunar surface,<br />
while America is talking about putting a man on Mars.<br />
While on the subject of finance, it would be useful to<br />
look at the different approaches taken to collateral for<br />
buy-side firms in the US <strong>and</strong> Europe. There’s been much<br />
discussion of the problems that cash-only requirements<br />
for variation margins cause pension funds <strong>and</strong> life<br />
funds, which typically have a very low allocation to<br />
cash. In the US, CCPs like IDCG <strong>and</strong> CME made early<br />
noises around alternatives to cash, but for various<br />
reasons they have never reached fruition. In Europe,<br />
CCPs face many of the same problems in allowing noncash<br />
collateral. The LCH has been engaging actively<br />
with us to try to develop a solution. Eurex recently<br />
announced that they too are seeking to incorporate<br />
some possibilities of non-cash collateral, by utilising<br />
their liquidity line to the Bundesbank <strong>and</strong> the General<br />
Collateral (GC) pooling repo service to transform<br />
non-cash collateral into cash. CME has likewise made<br />
proposals around a non-cash model. Although these<br />
efforts have some way to go before coming to fruition,<br />
it’s interesting that this has become a focal point for<br />
many buy-side European firms, while being largely<br />
overlooked in the US.<br />
Is this down to different investment characteristics<br />
in pension funds on either continent, or is it simply<br />
that Americans have grown used to a cash requirement<br />
for pretty much everything in life? A recent IMF<br />
report showed US GDP per capita to be a full $15,000<br />
higher than its European equivalent, so it’s clear that<br />
Americans simply have more cash to play with, to the<br />
point where funding of variation margin apparently<br />
becomes a non-issue.<br />
Some of the difference in attitude may come from<br />
the segregation models being enforced. CFTC rules<br />
m<strong>and</strong>ate a futures commission merchant model for<br />
margin segregation. This essentially requires gross<br />
margining through a client omnibus account, in<br />
which all clients are open to the default risk of their<br />
fellow clients, with no transparency or choice over<br />
who those fellow clients are. EMIR goes further than<br />
this in placing a minimum requirement to segregate<br />
clearing member funds from those of its client, but<br />
importantly, with an additional requirement to offer<br />
more detailed segregation at the client’s request. In the<br />
event of a default, fully segregated accounts, or those<br />
held in restricted omnibus accounts not containing<br />
the defaulting client, will be protected from the loss<br />
mutualisation. Some market commentators have made<br />
the point that different bankruptcy regimes in place<br />
in Europe <strong>and</strong> the US explain these differences but it’s<br />
maybe no coincidence that EMIR was published exactly<br />
two years to the day after Lehmans filed for bankruptcy.<br />
The US seems to have taken the view that when all else<br />
“Regulators on both sides of the<br />
Atlantic are keen to ensure that<br />
regulatory arbitrage is kept to<br />
a minimum wherever possible.”<br />
fails, you can always sweep $8 billion from the UK to the<br />
US to shore up the balance sheet. Europe on the other<br />
h<strong>and</strong> seems to have learnt its lesson <strong>and</strong> is fully focused<br />
on protecting its pension fund contributions.<br />
Another clear difference in regulation comes<br />
through the back loading requirement. Should clearing<br />
requirements be retrospective in nature <strong>and</strong> apply to<br />
historical positions? Gary Gensler clearly stated in his<br />
testimony before the Senate banking committee that<br />
new rules should apply only on a retrospective basis to<br />
transactions entered into after the rules take effect. In<br />
Europe the situation isn’t so clear, with some parties<br />
arguing for back loading <strong>and</strong> others arguing against<br />
it. Again, this different approach to historical trades<br />
seems to have more to do with national character than<br />
anything else. To quote Margaret Thatcher: ‘Europe will<br />
never be like America, Europe is a product of history,<br />
America is a product of philosophy.’<br />
It’s not surprising that a nation that sees anything<br />
which took place prior to 1776 as being ancient history,<br />
should choose to ignore historical trades in its financial<br />
regulation, while countries in Europe, which still get
fairly worked up about battles that took place over 500<br />
years ago, take a more inclusive approach.<br />
Finally, there are different approaches to the<br />
recognition of third-party CCPs <strong>and</strong> trade repositories.<br />
EMIR permits a CCP or trade repository established in a<br />
non-EU country to provide clearing or reporting services<br />
to entities established in the EU, if ESMA recognises the<br />
legal <strong>and</strong> supervisory arrangements of that country to<br />
be equivalent to the European requirements. The US<br />
has a similar option in exempting US CCPs from US<br />
regulation, but is far less flexible with regards to the<br />
trade repositories.<br />
Currently US regulation does not specifically provide<br />
for recognition of any non-US repository. Non-domestic<br />
trade repositories are another addition to the exp<strong>and</strong>ing<br />
list of things that the US doesn’t recognise. For instance,<br />
it doesn’t recognise the Chinese claim to Taiwan. It<br />
doesn’t recognise that World War II began before 1941,<br />
or that football should be a game played with a ball <strong>and</strong><br />
players’ feet, <strong>and</strong> it certainly doesn’t recognise that if<br />
you’re going to call a competition the World Series, it<br />
should really involve more than one country.<br />
Of course, there are many similarities between Dodd-<br />
Frank <strong>and</strong> EMIR. Regulators on both sides of the Atlantic<br />
are keen to ensure that regulatory arbitrage is kept to a<br />
minimum wherever possible. It goes without saying that<br />
this is an important goal; however, the world isn’t limited<br />
to Europe <strong>and</strong> America. Much of the outcome of these<br />
two processes will influence the direction Asia takes over<br />
the next year.<br />
I began by saying that my dual US-UK nationality gave<br />
me a unique insight into the different regulations, but I<br />
should also point out that I’m married to an Australian.<br />
So with that in mind, I’d like to end by adopting the<br />
antipodean attitude to central clearing <strong>and</strong> pass over to<br />
Roger, with the observation that as none of this seems to<br />
involve sport of any kind, I’ll be in the bar knocking back<br />
a beer while you work out the details. Unfortunately, I’ve<br />
been asked to join the panel, so I’ll have to wait.<br />
Roger Barton The first question is what exactly<br />
are SEFs <strong>and</strong> OTFs? And the answer, despite a lot of<br />
discussion, argument <strong>and</strong> analysis, is that we still don’t<br />
really know.<br />
This is particularly the case for OTFs. We do have<br />
more knowledge about SEFs, <strong>and</strong> we certainly know<br />
more than we did. Dodd-Frank states that all clearable<br />
derivatives will need to be executed through exchanges<br />
or SEFs <strong>and</strong> of course, cleared through CCPs. The<br />
CFTC <strong>and</strong> SEC have set out a range of principles <strong>and</strong><br />
requirements for SEFs; most of them the same, but not<br />
quite. They include the requirement that all trading<br />
must be multi-lateral. So, single dealer platforms are<br />
not permitted. And it’s proposed that both request<br />
for quote <strong>and</strong> central limit order book systems are<br />
permitted. They are also very specific on what trading<br />
models SEFs will be permitted to offer; down to the<br />
level of, in an RFQ system, how many dealers buy-side<br />
customers will be required to request quotes for.<br />
Unlike the European proposals, it is proposed that<br />
there’s a block trade exemption, for somewhere in the<br />
region of 5 per cent for the largest trades. Those block<br />
trades may be done bilaterally by voice, provided that if<br />
they’re clearable derivatives they need to be registered<br />
subsequently with an SEF.<br />
On the vexed issue of ownership <strong>and</strong> governance of<br />
SEFs, the proposals are still outst<strong>and</strong>ing. Suffice to say<br />
that there will clearly be a limit on dealer ownership of<br />
SEFs <strong>and</strong> a minimum proportion of public directors on<br />
their boards.<br />
The European proposals are at a higher level <strong>and</strong><br />
currently, much less clear. There’s a proposal to<br />
introduce a new regulatory heading for platforms,<br />
called Organised Trading Facilities (OTFs) that covers<br />
all organised trading venues which aren’t exchanges<br />
or MTFs. So the scope potentially covers electronic<br />
platforms, voice platforms, single dealer platforms,<br />
multi dealer platforms; it’s really something of a catch<br />
all. And then the proposals go on to say that all clearingeligible<br />
derivatives with, to use their term, ‘sufficient<br />
liquidity’, will need to be executed either through an<br />
exchange or an MTF or a multi-lateral OTF, <strong>and</strong> again,<br />
cleared through CCPs.<br />
Unlike the US, the European Commission clearly<br />
has no appetite to get as prescriptive on the specific<br />
trading models that would be permitted; in fact, they<br />
specifically shy away from that, apart from specifying<br />
multi-laterality, so single dealer platforms don’t look like<br />
they will qualify. They do, however, set out minimum<br />
pre- <strong>and</strong> post- trade transparency requirements which<br />
are intended to apply across all venues, across derivatives<br />
<strong>and</strong> fixed income products. Potentially, these proposals<br />
relating to transparency are far reaching.<br />
The European Commission clearly aims to achieve<br />
the G20 commitments for moving derivatives execution<br />
onto electronic platforms. In their consultation paper,<br />
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they specifically reinforce Europe’s commitment to<br />
the G20 aims. At the same time, the Commission states<br />
explicitly that it intends to make minimal changes to<br />
the way business is done. In practice, it’s going to be<br />
difficult to achieve both of those objectives. If there’s<br />
going to be a substantial proportion of derivatives<br />
execution moved onto regulated electronic platforms,<br />
the European Commission or the Parliament will at<br />
some stage need to be more prescriptive about the way<br />
that business is done.<br />
In any case, the direction of travel of the regulation<br />
<strong>and</strong> the legislation is clear, <strong>and</strong> has been since the<br />
G20 commitments were announced. What is not yet<br />
clear is some of the detail, the timescales <strong>and</strong> whether<br />
implementation will occur in one fell swoop or happen<br />
over time.<br />
The intention is to increase transparency <strong>and</strong> market<br />
efficiency, <strong>and</strong> certainly electronic trading has a proven<br />
track record in achieving both of those. But of course,<br />
there are a lot of risks. The most obvious is that in such<br />
a major change, there’s always likely to be unintended<br />
consequences, particularly if the regulation <strong>and</strong><br />
legislation is introduced over a short period of time,<br />
which is currently the intention in the US.<br />
There are also risks, particularly relating to the<br />
transparency arrangements. If these are incorrectly<br />
calibrated – to use the regulators’ words – then that will<br />
likely damage liquidity.<br />
And then, finally, not allowing sufficient flexibility<br />
as to how business is conducted will potentially reduce<br />
competition <strong>and</strong> restrict freedom of action for the users.<br />
So there are a number of risks which the regulators are<br />
looking to address, but what they’re looking to achieve<br />
is quite clear.<br />
ED It’s quite difficult to deal with the execution<br />
<strong>and</strong> trade capture issues that the developments are<br />
bringing up, when there is this lack of clarity. Ben, I<br />
wondered if you could give us some headlines around<br />
your research. As already agreed, there’s not much<br />
clarity, but how certain is the future from the research<br />
that you’ve undertaken?<br />
BS We’re talking here about OTC trading rules<br />
<strong>and</strong> we’re focusing on the execution side. I’ll try to<br />
lay out the high-level issues <strong>and</strong> where we see the<br />
trajectory. Where the end state is, is still quite unclear.<br />
Both for the US <strong>and</strong> the EU it’s pretty clear that<br />
there’s going to be some sort of codification of<br />
platforms <strong>and</strong> some sort of multi-lateral RFQ or CLOB<br />
systems in place for what are called st<strong>and</strong>ardised<br />
available to trade OTC derivatives.<br />
What that means in practice is hugely unclear.<br />
How many RFQs? Is one enough? What counts as<br />
st<strong>and</strong>ardised? What is available for trade? Does a<br />
contract that’s st<strong>and</strong>ardised <strong>and</strong> clearable have to be<br />
traded on an electronic platform if there’s no liquidity<br />
in that product?<br />
There are a lot of questions as to what SEF <strong>and</strong><br />
OTF platforms will look like. The knock-on effect<br />
is on the pre-trade pricing transparency. How does<br />
that get integrated into the trading world, how does<br />
it get reported, how do people see it, is it clear to<br />
other people? And then there is post-trade pricing<br />
transparency, what are the rules around that?<br />
It is clear there’s going to be post-trade pricing<br />
transparency in some sense, but how immediate is<br />
that going to be? Is there going to be some sort of<br />
time delay? What are the operational implications of<br />
implementing post-trade trade reporting, <strong>and</strong> that goes<br />
for small trades all the way up to block trades?<br />
Then there’s a whole issue around execution. What<br />
are the rules on block trades? How are they executed?<br />
Can they be done bi-laterally? What’s the threshold?<br />
What’s the reporting time for a block trade <strong>and</strong> how<br />
does that affect how the sell-side of the banks facilitates<br />
large trades?<br />
The trajectory seems to be towards a certain level of<br />
pre-trade pricing transparency, certainly a level of posttrade<br />
pricing transparency, <strong>and</strong> then a clearing <strong>and</strong> a<br />
risk management layer which has also been debated a<br />
lot. How quickly we get there is unclear because of the<br />
lack of clarity on legal definitions <strong>and</strong> on the trading<br />
infrastructures which might emerge.<br />
ED One of the most interesting questions as we<br />
look ahead at the regulatory agenda is on accessibility.<br />
Dodd-Frank requires SEFs to provide market participants<br />
with impartial access to the market. But there<br />
are practical <strong>and</strong> cost issues there, too. Jez, as a platform<br />
provider <strong>and</strong> with your background as an end user, what<br />
are the issues regarding accessibility <strong>and</strong> how real is it?<br />
Are SEFs going to be fully accessible to all <strong>and</strong> sundry?<br />
JB Naturally you’re going to get a proliferation<br />
of ways that people can achieve these objectives, but I<br />
go back to my own experience <strong>and</strong> why I’m doing what<br />
I’m doing now. A lot of the regulatory response we’ve<br />
seen is looking harsher than it needs to be. The industry<br />
began to solve this problem itself a number of years ago.
I remember st<strong>and</strong>ing in front of the board at Morley<br />
[Fund Management] as it was then, <strong>and</strong> articulating<br />
how the OTC world worked <strong>and</strong> the parallel chart of<br />
how the exchange traded world worked. I said, look,<br />
what we really want to do is get as much of that into<br />
the exchange traded world as possible by mirroring<br />
everything, wherever possible, including the collateral<br />
leg. This is pretty much what the regulator wants the<br />
industry to do now.<br />
We worked very hard at that <strong>and</strong> spent a lot of time<br />
<strong>and</strong> money doing it. The bits that were missing though<br />
are the bits we’re talking about now; the pre-trade<br />
component <strong>and</strong> the execution. Ironically, all of the<br />
operational issues we experienced [at Morley] were<br />
entirely down to trades being executed <strong>and</strong> done on a<br />
spreadsheet or an email or some sort of ‘chat’ system,<br />
<strong>and</strong> then just sent <strong>and</strong> forgotten about <strong>and</strong> difficult to<br />
process as a result.<br />
“One of the unintended consequences<br />
is going to be the proliferation<br />
of places you can trade.”<br />
My view was that if you st<strong>and</strong>ardised that as much<br />
as possible, <strong>and</strong> in fact you went for a detailed quote up<br />
front, a lot of the operational issues would disappear<br />
(as you would have the fully executed trade details from<br />
the point of execution) <strong>and</strong> you would get something<br />
more like the exchange traded world we’re seeking.<br />
It’s ironic that over four or five years later we’re being<br />
forced into that. One of the unintended consequences is<br />
going to be the proliferation of places you can trade.<br />
One big issue that we’re going to see is a difference<br />
between the regulatory approach in the US, a rulesbased<br />
approach, <strong>and</strong> the regulatory approach in<br />
Europe, which is typically more principles-based. That’s<br />
probably why they’ve got fewer people. You don’t need<br />
as many people in Europe if it’s principles-based. If it is<br />
rules-based, you have to monitor it all the time, so it’s<br />
more intensive..<br />
So the debate is really about whether you’re<br />
instructed to trade in a certain manner or not.<br />
Certainly there are already some specific SEF trading<br />
rules from the CFTC. That’s not the only SEF in the US<br />
of course, because there’s an SEC SEF as well, which<br />
will have different rules <strong>and</strong> which seem bespoke to<br />
their markets.<br />
We haven’t seen as much about the OTF in Europe.<br />
I’m pretty sure it’s not going to be as prescriptive but<br />
it’s not yet clear. However, we should really focus on<br />
what people are trying to achieve <strong>and</strong> why they’re<br />
trading OTC. Predominantly it’s because they can’t get<br />
what they need from the listed world or they’re trading<br />
something that’s so bespoke. For example, you may<br />
be running a pension book where you need certain<br />
liabilities matched that you can’t get from the market<br />
because it’s [the risk is] too far out. Then you need a<br />
bespoke contract.<br />
People don’t choose to trade OTC because it’s fun.<br />
It’s really complicated <strong>and</strong> it’s not a nice place to be<br />
if you have to deal with it from an operational point<br />
of view.<br />
If we asked what we need to do to help the asset<br />
manager – <strong>and</strong> it generally is the asset manager we<br />
should think about with the infrastructure they will<br />
require <strong>and</strong> the need to minimise operational risks –<br />
we wouldn’t be doing as much as we may have to do<br />
under the proposed regulations. It’s going to be more<br />
complex because of the proliferation of places you can<br />
trade, just as with MiFID in the cash market. You used<br />
to know exactly where to go to trade a BP share. There<br />
are a number of MTFs where you can trade a stock, so<br />
you can’t easily see the liquidity every place a stock<br />
is traded, so it’s a lot easier just to pick up the phone.<br />
That’s going backwards <strong>and</strong> if played out will be a<br />
huge unintended consequence in price discovery <strong>and</strong><br />
execution for derivatives.<br />
ED Steve, looking at fragmentation <strong>and</strong> the<br />
cost of connectivity, if we’ve got this proliferation of<br />
platforms, what are the lessons we should be learning<br />
from the equities market?<br />
SG Just before I answer that, let me make one<br />
more general point about regulation. It strikes me that<br />
whenever there’s a war, we always have the wrong type<br />
of army, <strong>and</strong> the reason for that is because we built<br />
the army up to fight the last war, not the current one.<br />
That’s exactly what regulation is like. It’s always looking<br />
backwards trying to solve the previous problem. There<br />
needs to be a reality check about regulation <strong>and</strong> what<br />
it’s really trying to solve.<br />
But there is indeed a lot to be learned. One of the<br />
biggest lessons for the broker community was the<br />
need to have to chop orders up <strong>and</strong> send them out<br />
intelligently across multiple platforms <strong>and</strong> venues.<br />
There’s a cost involved in that, whether it’s in<br />
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<strong>and</strong> yet there is no new order flow coming in the front<br />
door. So the first fundamental problem is that the<br />
people who have to bear the cost for this, aren’t actually<br />
making more money out of it.<br />
We’ve also found that by introducing competition,<br />
you very quickly get to a race to zero with all sorts<br />
of clever maker/taker models in terms of pricing,<br />
which make it almost impossible for smaller MTFs to<br />
be financially viable. How is that good for the overall<br />
stability of the system? In fact it has led to the national<br />
exchanges <strong>and</strong> monopolies having to club together <strong>and</strong><br />
form global monopolies, because they can no longer<br />
make any money. There are a lot of lessons <strong>and</strong> I don’t<br />
think any of them are very positive<br />
ED Stuart, as an end user, would you like to pick<br />
up on the concerns that Jez mentioned?<br />
SA The cost issues are the obvious ones. You<br />
mentioned the timeframe that this was being pushed<br />
through in. We seem to have been having these<br />
conversations for well over a year now <strong>and</strong>, given the<br />
change this is bringing to the industry, there’s not<br />
much time to adapt to all these models.<br />
We made the point about the cost of building<br />
systems <strong>and</strong> requirements for the banks, <strong>and</strong> brokers<br />
being m<strong>and</strong>ated to build connectivity to all the<br />
exchanges <strong>and</strong> all the clearing houses; they don’t have<br />
a choice over that.<br />
They have a much larger resource base than most<br />
asset managers <strong>and</strong> even as a large asset manager,<br />
BlackRock has faced challenges with the requirements<br />
both in terms of financial cost for building the systems<br />
<strong>and</strong> of manpower. I shudder to think of the effect it’s<br />
having on some of the smaller asset managers. There’s<br />
real concern from many people around the amount of<br />
work required to adapt to the regulations.<br />
There’s going to be a real rush to market, whether it’s<br />
in 2012 or even earlier. There’s a danger that everyone<br />
gets caught up in a last-minute rush to get ready.<br />
It simply won’t be possible to do that. That’s where<br />
unintended consequences <strong>and</strong> risk enter the market.<br />
JB While we’re all thinking there’s going to<br />
be a lot of work in a very short space of time <strong>and</strong> it’s<br />
going to be expensive for pretty much everybody,<br />
including the tax payer who has to pay to keep the<br />
regulators running, I do think that the number of OTC<br />
transactions this is going to affect is very small.<br />
Therefore the cost for the number of actual trades is<br />
going to be high. If you’re trading <strong>and</strong> processing OTCs<br />
<strong>and</strong> have to pay for all this <strong>and</strong> deal with the complexity<br />
around margining, whether or not you can do cross<br />
margining <strong>and</strong> other things you need to achieve <strong>and</strong><br />
currently can achieve in the OTC world, it’s going to<br />
push more business into the exchange environment.<br />
That’s good for a lot of people who are looking at this,<br />
because the costs are known in the current exchange<br />
world. It used to be an order of magnitude less when<br />
you compare it to OTC. That is ultimately a positive.<br />
The volume of OTC contracts is less now than<br />
previously <strong>and</strong> I think we’ll see even fewer going<br />
forward. Of those that remain, they’ll probably be too<br />
infrequently traded to qualify for a lot of the SEF rules<br />
<strong>and</strong> it’s unlikely they’ll ever get into a CCP because<br />
they’ll be deemed too illiquid. They’ll just be bilateral<br />
as before.<br />
We’ll see a lot of exchange traded business, quite a bit<br />
of traditional bilateral OTC trading <strong>and</strong> something in<br />
“The industry should get their voice<br />
across to regulators, but that doesn’t<br />
solve the problem of a heavy h<strong>and</strong>ed<br />
approach to regulation.”<br />
the middle that people think is a bit difficult to trade<br />
initially <strong>and</strong> will probably not be traded very much.<br />
ED There is, though, the regulatory threat. If<br />
it’s not cleared <strong>and</strong> they don’t like you not clearing it,<br />
if you’re not executing it where they want you to, the<br />
regulators might simply ban it.<br />
JB You’re right, but the method of deciding<br />
what is eligible for a CCP is completely unclear. Now it<br />
seems the ECB wants to decide, it doesn’t want ESMA to<br />
decide. But of course, if you think something is eligible<br />
<strong>and</strong> you go to the CCP <strong>and</strong> they say it was OK yesterday<br />
but not today, you’re back to your bilateral agreement.<br />
That doesn’t help anybody.<br />
SG What happens if the parties involved are<br />
from different jurisdictions or if you have products, for<br />
example, like mixed swaps which maybe involve equity<br />
<strong>and</strong> a currency hedge? In the US, you’d come under the<br />
SEC <strong>and</strong> the CFTC. The whole thing could be a mess<br />
quite quickly.<br />
BS The real cost is the cost of slippage or the<br />
effect on liquidity <strong>and</strong> the cost to the end user to<br />
execute contracts. The extra amount of capital that a
ank has to use <strong>and</strong> put to work to facilitate trades, I<br />
don’t see that shifting to exchanges.<br />
The OTC world has grown over the past five years<br />
by about 17 to 18 per cent in terms of notional values,<br />
compared to the exchange space, which has grown by<br />
less than 10 per cent.<br />
The reason behind that is the bespoke contracts the<br />
end users want have become more sophisticated. By<br />
that I mean people using bespoke contracts to hedge<br />
specific risk <strong>and</strong> take it out of their portfolio have<br />
become more sophisticated. OTC is the easiest <strong>and</strong>, at<br />
present, probably the cheapest way to do that.<br />
So the idea that the implementation of some of the<br />
trading platforms will be the real cost to bear doesn’t<br />
take into account other factors that are more to do with<br />
the cost of liquidity <strong>and</strong> the cost of capital, especially<br />
when you consider Basel III. The banks will need to put<br />
up more capital against the trade to facilitate it. I don’t<br />
think you’ll solve that by moving on to an exchange.<br />
ED Picking up on the impact on liquidity <strong>and</strong> also<br />
on costs, I suppose one issue we have is that the OTC<br />
model doesn’t fit with the exchange traded model, i.e.<br />
exchanges make money through high volumes going<br />
through their systems. The ISDA view is that fewer<br />
than 2,000 st<strong>and</strong>ardised interest rate swaps, the most<br />
liquid OTC contract, are traded on average every day.<br />
Sixty-seven of those are executed among the G14 largest<br />
dealers. In terms of value they are large numbers, but<br />
in terms of numbers of transactions it’s very small,<br />
<strong>and</strong> we’re talking about having anything from one to<br />
numerous SEFs.<br />
BS That’s a great point. We put the number between<br />
2,000 <strong>and</strong> 3,000 trades per day in liquid interest rate<br />
swaps in the three- to five-year bracket. That’s not<br />
mirrored on exchange. On the other h<strong>and</strong>, FX swaps for<br />
example are a totally different instrument. We must<br />
be careful talking about parallels between the OTC <strong>and</strong><br />
the exchange world. We should not miss the microstructures<br />
of the asset classes that are traded.<br />
ED But isn’t that what the regulators are doing?<br />
Aren’t they’re mixing those two things up? They’re<br />
taking a very simplistic view of what the exchange<br />
model provides <strong>and</strong> saying, ‘well, you must be able to do<br />
that over here?’<br />
RB It’s a combination of factors. In the OTC<br />
markets there are a large number of instruments, a small<br />
number of relatively large trades <strong>and</strong> a relatively small<br />
number of participants. In short, the trading pattern is<br />
lumpy. This is why the OTC market has grown up as it<br />
has, with dealers putting up capital to take positions, on<br />
a request-for quote basis. The traditional all-to-all central<br />
limit order book tends not to meet the requirement.<br />
The chance of an end user wanting to buy <strong>and</strong> an end<br />
user wanting to sell the same instrument at exactly the<br />
same time is very limited.<br />
At one stage the regulators, particularly in the US,<br />
came close to saying that everything should go central<br />
limit order book. They were no doubt influenced by<br />
the fact that this is the way it is in the futures business.<br />
But they backed off <strong>and</strong> allowed a wider variety of<br />
different protocols. The more different protocols that<br />
are allowed, the more competition <strong>and</strong> choice there is.<br />
At the same time, however, there is potentially more<br />
fragmentation along with greater cost. A balance needs<br />
to be struck.<br />
ED Fragmentation might be good for<br />
competition, but lack of st<strong>and</strong>ardisation of systems<br />
<strong>and</strong> of products from an operational point of view,<br />
when you’re trying to improve your risk management<br />
processes with more business coming at you from<br />
different sources, raises the issue of increasing risk<br />
rather than reducing it.<br />
RB If the prevailing method of execution<br />
continues to be request for quote, then the fragmentation<br />
issue, while it’s clearly a problem <strong>and</strong> increases<br />
cost in terms of connectivity, is not as great if the<br />
prevailing method of execution is central limit order<br />
book because ultimately, the dealers providing the<br />
request for quote systems tend to be the same dealers.<br />
Alan Burr, Burr <strong>and</strong> Company With respect to<br />
Steve’s remark about regulators, they need industry<br />
support to come up with the most appropriate<br />
solutions. Could you comment on that?<br />
SG Regulation goes as fast as the slowest element.<br />
It’s always backwards looking <strong>and</strong> people will find<br />
ways around it if there’s too much. If you look at MiFID<br />
II, there were something like 4,000 responses to the<br />
consultation paper, some of which were larger than<br />
the consultation paper itself! Someone’s got to plough<br />
through all that <strong>and</strong> make some sense out of it. The<br />
industry should get their voice across to regulators,<br />
but that doesn’t solve the problem of a heavy h<strong>and</strong>ed<br />
approach to regulation.<br />
RB One response to the MiFID consultation paper<br />
was from the Authorite des Marches Financiers (AMF)<br />
in France. They made the point that transparency for<br />
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transparency. They know equity transparency because<br />
they know equity products. Regulators take what they<br />
know <strong>and</strong> apply that to other products in the same<br />
way that the CFTC probably does with futures. So if<br />
the industry, individually or collectively, can spell out<br />
the danger of doing this <strong>and</strong> an alternative that makes<br />
sense, then I think that helps address the issue. Of<br />
course, this is perhaps easier said than done.<br />
JB I think you’re absolutely right. A few years ago<br />
we found that there weren’t many buy-side participants<br />
prepared to engage, but we’ve seen in the US much<br />
more buy-side interaction to the point where they got<br />
together <strong>and</strong> decided on a ‘this is the way we’d like<br />
it to be’ approach. But there’s still less engagement<br />
in Europe, particularly in the UK. That’s not due to a<br />
shortage of industry organisations, but we’ve let the<br />
dealer community drive everything.<br />
“Regulators <strong>and</strong> politicians are very<br />
open to the opinions that we’re<br />
trying to get across to them.”<br />
ISDA is still dominated by dealers but they do try to<br />
get the buy-side to join. We joined, but not many people<br />
have followed, so the lobbying is all dealer-driven. The<br />
buy-side, <strong>and</strong> maybe it’s just natural shyness, is not<br />
prepared to stamp its feet. It’s not a surprise that it<br />
hasn’t gone all their way.<br />
The initial regulatory response was down to the fact<br />
that with Lehman <strong>and</strong> then AIG they had absolutely no<br />
idea where all of the CDS contracts were, no idea where<br />
all the risk was.<br />
They don’t want to be caught out again. So they’ve<br />
decided that the first thing you need to tell them is<br />
what you’ve traded <strong>and</strong> who you’ve traded it with.<br />
So they’ve asked that we report our trades to them. It<br />
doesn’t necessarily have to be public, but report it. That<br />
is a fundamental <strong>and</strong> underst<strong>and</strong>able desire.<br />
Most of this trading is still done on the telephone or<br />
on spreadsheets or on various chat or email systems.<br />
A lot is done on the telephone with very little written<br />
down until it gets to a point at (in some cases) seven<br />
in the evening in operations, in the middle office or<br />
trade support, when someone finally ends up booking<br />
the trade. Then you wouldn’t get your confirmation,<br />
if it was an OTC, for six weeks or longer four or five<br />
years ago.<br />
So, the solution is electronic trade capture, isn’t it?<br />
You need to capture your trade at the point of execution<br />
<strong>and</strong> report it somewhere. And the other thing was<br />
uncollateralised transactions. ‘End users’ such as airline<br />
companies don’t necessarily want to collateralise<br />
because it’s really just a hedge on pricing. But other<br />
people didn’t collateralise their transactions even<br />
though they could <strong>and</strong> perhaps they should’ve done,<br />
<strong>and</strong> of course, when things like Lehman happened,<br />
they lost money. So enforcing some element of margin<br />
or collateral is also quite sensible where it should be<br />
appropriate to protect, perhaps, pension funds.<br />
If the regulator would remain focused on those<br />
things, we would not need a lot of the infrastructure<br />
being forced on us. It would be a lot simpler to navigate<br />
because we could all follow those principles.<br />
SA You’re absolutely right about the buy-side voice<br />
being muted. Partly that’s a desire not to put a head up<br />
above the parapet, <strong>and</strong> partly it’s a resource issue. It’s<br />
only been the larger asset managers who can put aside<br />
resource to look into this in the detail required.<br />
The upside for firms like ours is that regulators <strong>and</strong><br />
politicians are very open to the opinions that we’re<br />
trying to get across to them, purely because banks<br />
are not the most popular people in the world at the<br />
moment <strong>and</strong> they’re looking for an alternative point of<br />
view. They don’t trust what the banks are telling them.<br />
Quite rightly, I might add, in a lot of cases.<br />
On the other side there is a conflict of interest<br />
between the industry as a whole, the buy side <strong>and</strong> the<br />
banks, <strong>and</strong> the politicians <strong>and</strong> the regulators. Asset<br />
managers are trying to protect the requirements of<br />
their customers, the banks are trying to protect their<br />
profit margins, <strong>and</strong> the politicians are trying to get<br />
re-elected. They have to make proposals <strong>and</strong> laws about<br />
things that they maybe don’t fully underst<strong>and</strong> <strong>and</strong> they<br />
have to do so within a very tight timeframe. BlackRock<br />
fully supports central clearing as a way of reducing<br />
systemic risk <strong>and</strong> we’re doing our best to ensure the<br />
regulators <strong>and</strong> politicians listen to <strong>and</strong> underst<strong>and</strong> the<br />
needs of our clients.<br />
Robert Ray, CME Group One issue absent from the<br />
whole discussion is the cost of doing an OTC when it’s<br />
on the balance sheet versus off the balance sheet. I don’t<br />
know if that’s something that’s just below the radar or<br />
too complex to underst<strong>and</strong>. What is your view on that?
JB If it’s the off balance sheet you’re talking<br />
about, I’ve seen all sorts of interesting structures. For<br />
example, I know there was a Lehman CDO, which was<br />
with an SPV <strong>and</strong> there was cash collateral, but the cash<br />
collateral was in the same bank’s liquidity fund, <strong>and</strong><br />
when everything unwound, everything disappeared<br />
when the money was moved over to the US. It’s very<br />
easy to move this stuff around on <strong>and</strong> off balance<br />
sheets if you’re in a different regulatory environment,<br />
but if you’re a fund manager you can’t, you’re directly<br />
exposed to these things. I always said to the teams<br />
I worked with, if you don’t underst<strong>and</strong> what you’re<br />
buying, who’s selling it to you, <strong>and</strong> what’s going to<br />
happen when you need the money back, we shouldn’t<br />
be entering into that transaction.<br />
BS The on balance/off balance sheet issue is<br />
something Basel III is going to address. The rules<br />
around clearing are not going to be the driver of<br />
clearing, it’s going to be the effects of Risk Weighted<br />
Assets (RWA) on the bank’s balance sheet. If I have to<br />
carry massive RWA charges on my trading book because<br />
of the counterparty regulations that come out of<br />
Basel III, I’ll start to incentivise my corporate clients to<br />
clear. So it’ll be less around ‘Is there a big cost?’, it’ll<br />
be more, ‘how do I start incentivising my corporate<br />
<strong>and</strong> my asset management clients to start, to get<br />
over the clearing hurdle?’ Just remove the RWAs <strong>and</strong> the<br />
capital charges from my balance. It’s unclear<br />
how that’s going to work. The collateral number<br />
could be in the trillions of dollars, if you start<br />
collateralising everything.<br />
David Feltes, CME Group I wanted to ask about<br />
regulatory arbitrage. Clearly the CFTC is going at one<br />
pace <strong>and</strong> with the EU going at a different pace, at what<br />
point does the panel see capital flows changing <strong>and</strong><br />
trading behaviours, geographies etc?<br />
SG It’s a huge issue particularly with the<br />
consolidation among the big exchanges. Deutsche<br />
Börse <strong>and</strong> NYSE Euronext probably touches on 12 to<br />
15 countries <strong>and</strong> every single one will have a slightly
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different view on what’s right or wrong. You even saw<br />
that NYSE Euronext moved some of their operations<br />
to London, because it would be under FSA regulation<br />
rather than, say, Dutch regulation providing advantages<br />
as to how they operate. It’s happening at venue level<br />
<strong>and</strong> also at the banks <strong>and</strong> brokers. The whole idea of<br />
national exchanges is dead, so the idea of national<br />
regulators should go with it in my view. I think we need<br />
something else.<br />
There’s a great document that Ben’s firm produced<br />
about anticipating the next financial crisis. It makes<br />
the point that all the operations move eastwards<br />
because they become much more regulatory friendly<br />
<strong>and</strong> then we have a great big blow up. I thought it<br />
was a great document. There’s a lot of interesting ideas<br />
in there.<br />
RB Regulatory arbitrage in financial services<br />
is clearly an issue, particularly in derivatives, which<br />
are more mobile than a lot of products. That’s why<br />
we’ve seen the European <strong>and</strong> US regulators trying as<br />
best they can to maintain consistency. There will be<br />
differences, but how important those differences are,<br />
we’ll have to wait <strong>and</strong> see. But of course, what will also<br />
happen is that both the US <strong>and</strong> Europe will look to cast<br />
the regulatory net wide enough to try to avoid that<br />
regulatory arbitrage.<br />
There’s no doubt that all US customers will have<br />
to adhere to US regulations wherever they trade <strong>and</strong><br />
the same in Europe. But it’s quite likely that even<br />
overseas customers, if they’re transacting with a US<br />
bank, will also have to adhere to the US requirements.<br />
Territoriality will be a whole can of worms which<br />
we’re yet to get into. It will add cost <strong>and</strong> complexity to<br />
the system.<br />
ED Stuart, from an end user perspective, to what<br />
extent do you see what you do shifting geographically<br />
<strong>and</strong> from a product point of view <strong>and</strong> so on?<br />
SA I haven’t read the paper, but I’m going to read<br />
it <strong>and</strong> then go short in 2015 heavily by the sound of it.<br />
Regulatory arbitrage is a real worry. It’s the uncertainty<br />
that’s damaging the market at the moment, not knowing<br />
which set of regulations you are going to be caught up<br />
in. When is a European counterparty trading with a US<br />
counterparty caught up in US regulation? When are<br />
they covered by EMIR? Everyone’s been concentrating on<br />
that for the last six months, without really getting any<br />
answers. Now the regulators are becoming aware of the<br />
problems <strong>and</strong> they’re looking at it.<br />
But the elephant in the room is going to be Asia<br />
over the next year. They’re in the very early stages of<br />
this process. What happens if they turn round at the<br />
end of 2012 <strong>and</strong> say, you know what, we’re not doing<br />
any of it? I’m not saying that’s going to happen, but<br />
there’s certainly risk that regulatory arbitrage is created<br />
between the US, Europe <strong>and</strong> the rest of the world.<br />
JB I’d agree. You’ve got listed products, you’ve<br />
got classic OTC, which doesn’t fit <strong>and</strong> doesn’t need to fit<br />
into the regulatory infrastructure that is being created,<br />
<strong>and</strong> the stuff in the middle. I’d say there won’t be much<br />
of that in Europe <strong>and</strong> the US, but there’ll be more OTC<br />
trading in Asia.<br />
There seems to be a territorial thing about the SEC<br />
<strong>and</strong> CFTC rules. If you’re trading with a US firm or<br />
you are a US firm’s subsidiary, you are caught by the<br />
US rules. There’s also a suggestion that if it affects the<br />
national interest of the US, you’ve got to abide by the<br />
“The elephant in the room is going to<br />
be Asia over the next year. They’re in<br />
the very early stages of this process.”<br />
US rules as well. That presumably means if it’s a dollar<br />
denominated security you come under US regulation.<br />
Where’s that going to stop? Are we all going to be<br />
regulated by the SEC <strong>and</strong> CFTC rules at some point?<br />
RB And interestingly they’re different at this stage.<br />
ED We’ve got the issue of access to the various<br />
trading execution facilities <strong>and</strong> we’ve also got the issue<br />
of access to clearing. Roger, your platform has started<br />
cleared swaps. How does that work from a platform<br />
point of view, in terms of you getting access to wherever<br />
you want to point your products or where your clients<br />
want them to point?<br />
RB Tradeweb is linked through to the different<br />
clearing houses. It has an agnostic approach so we’ll<br />
send trades to whichever clearing house customers<br />
want to clear. We’ll link through to LCH, CME, ICE<br />
<strong>and</strong> so on. My suspicion is that’s the way that other<br />
SEFs will go. At this stage, customers are waiting until<br />
clearing becomes m<strong>and</strong>atory before they actually do<br />
clear. The links are ready to go. They’ve been used for<br />
test trades <strong>and</strong> get used occasionally, but they won’t be<br />
used extensively until closer to the time that it becomes<br />
m<strong>and</strong>atory for buy-side customers to clear. What will be<br />
important, <strong>and</strong> it’s raised a lot of controversy in Europe,
is that open access is reciprocated.<br />
Clearing houses will be in an extremely strong<br />
position as far as derivatives are concerned, so if<br />
derivatives have got to be cleared through clearing<br />
houses, it’s important for them to be agnostic<br />
about trading platforms <strong>and</strong> to take trades from<br />
different platforms for OTC derivatives on a fair, no<br />
discrimination basis.<br />
SG Regarding the comments about using<br />
clearing for competition in the exchange space <strong>and</strong><br />
the CME’s introduction of more margin offsets in the<br />
US, you can anticipate an offset price war going on at<br />
a clearing level. People charge margin to help manage<br />
risk, <strong>and</strong> if they say ‘we’ll offset all of this together<br />
because I want your clearing business’, there’s a risk<br />
that introducing more competition actually doesn’t<br />
help overall market safety.<br />
Robert Ray, CME Group Basically what you’re<br />
looking at is the tight interaction between the cash <strong>and</strong><br />
the futures market. If you have a position in both, you<br />
try to link that up so that you underst<strong>and</strong> what the true<br />
risk is to the firm.<br />
In that case it’s not a race to the bottom because<br />
you’re not using it from a marketing st<strong>and</strong>point,<br />
you’re using it from a market efficiency st<strong>and</strong>point.<br />
That really sprang from the 1987 crash when there<br />
was no linkage between OCC <strong>and</strong> the futures or the<br />
stock market, <strong>and</strong> as a result, everybody was trying to<br />
move credits at one cut-off time <strong>and</strong> debits at another.<br />
You had a mismatch, <strong>and</strong> that’s when you had the<br />
famous, ‘the window is open’ situation. The equity<br />
market was significantly further ahead then – in<br />
terms of its integration with the derivatives market<br />
<strong>and</strong> recognising it’s a singular market place – than<br />
the fixed income market was. What you’re seeing is<br />
a catching up in being able to do that, that probably<br />
started back around 2003.<br />
BS The linkage between the cash <strong>and</strong> derivatives<br />
markets is pretty straightforward. There is a little<br />
nervousness on the idea of cross margining around<br />
different products <strong>and</strong> I’m not wholly convinced that<br />
there’s really a more efficient risk management way<br />
to cross-margin different types of products, not cash<br />
<strong>and</strong> derivatives, but across the derivative asset classes.<br />
There’s been some talk about that <strong>and</strong> that is maybe a<br />
more concerning issue.<br />
Question from the audience On cross-margining,<br />
if you look at the way sell-side banks use their recently<br />
documented OTC trades, where they effectively offset<br />
their collateral requirements across every single<br />
product <strong>and</strong> asset class into effectively one call or one<br />
posting of collateral. Do you not think that crossmargining<br />
for linked positions where there’s a natural<br />
hedge, be that a future against an IRS, makes a lot of<br />
sense, certainly compared to the OTC market, <strong>and</strong> the<br />
limited step of offsetting, let’s say euro dollars against<br />
bonds, does make obvious sense?<br />
BS The cash to the derivative market, I fully agree<br />
with. There is a link there that needs to be considered<br />
but I’m more hesitant with respect to clearing firms<br />
marketing that. Those correlations break down more<br />
quickly. A couple of years ago, correlations all went to<br />
one <strong>and</strong> everyone dropped a couple of hundred million<br />
dollars in the course of a few weeks. I get the whole idea<br />
of multi-asset netting but we just need to be careful.<br />
There’s a difference between netting off assets within<br />
your balance sheet as you’re looking at the risk of your<br />
balance sheet <strong>and</strong> managing that, <strong>and</strong> margining a<br />
CCP account, which should be risk-free at that level<br />
of margin.<br />
RB There are two issues here. Firstly, there are<br />
clearly legitimate offsets between, for example, futures<br />
<strong>and</strong> OTC derivatives <strong>and</strong> there’s a range of legitimate<br />
netting offsets. As a general comment, we currently do<br />
not even come close to recognising the full extent of<br />
these offsets in our margining models – there is plenty<br />
more scope. What there should be concern about is<br />
the extent to which those offsets are over-used as a<br />
marketing tool.<br />
JB If you have a fund with a lot of different<br />
assets in it <strong>and</strong> you’re suddenly faced with different<br />
CCPs for each instrument, that makes it operationally<br />
very complicated. With margin moving in <strong>and</strong> out, you<br />
could be posting a lot of margin you don’t need to if you<br />
had the risk against just one CCP.<br />
The buy-side is multi-asset, increasingly so. That’s<br />
not going to change <strong>and</strong> they want more of the people<br />
they deal with to be multi-asset as well. We haven’t seen<br />
that response on the sell-side. We’re multi-asset in the<br />
way we provide our systems; we have to be because our<br />
clients want that.<br />
So we’re going to find ourselves in a similar situation<br />
to what Roger was describing, in terms of providing<br />
links to multiple CCPs. If you look at how we work in<br />
futures <strong>and</strong> options, you have one clearer <strong>and</strong> a back<br />
up clearer, it’s simple <strong>and</strong> understood, <strong>and</strong> that’s really<br />
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transforming the<br />
derivatives l<strong>and</strong>scape<br />
what we’re trying to mirror. But at the moment you’ve<br />
got rates, credit <strong>and</strong> equities all geographically split; we<br />
haven’t really finished yet.<br />
ED What impact does that have from a risk<br />
management <strong>and</strong> a middle office point of view for the<br />
users, <strong>and</strong> also for their brokers?<br />
JB That’s down to another layer of people in<br />
the middle to try <strong>and</strong> offer all those places you want<br />
to possibly trade, what you want to trade, who you<br />
want to trade it with, when you want to trade, which<br />
jurisdiction it is <strong>and</strong> which CCP is behind it <strong>and</strong><br />
whether you’ve got to risk assess your CCP as well,<br />
because there’s going to be so many of them. That’s a<br />
complicated thing <strong>and</strong> it’s not going to be the dealer<br />
who is responsible for deciding everything.<br />
In a fund management firm the dealer has a key job<br />
to decide which counterparty to trade with, <strong>and</strong> in the<br />
OTC world that’s very difficult to do at the moment. So<br />
step forward operations or middle office, whatever you<br />
want to call it, who are going to need to be involved.<br />
I’ve already had lots of conversations with my clients<br />
about this. They say we need what you do because this<br />
is very complicated. We need to map it all. Operational<br />
complexity is going to be the biggest issue this year,<br />
more so than trading complexity because of the plethora<br />
of places to go, let alone actually who you trade with.<br />
RB That’s right. It’s not just operational<br />
complexity in terms of those linkages, it’s operational<br />
complexity in getting the documents in place, in<br />
enabling, in getting the facilities operational; it’s an<br />
extremely large amount of work to set that all up.<br />
Again, it’s a question of balance. It would be easier<br />
if there was one pan-galactic exchange <strong>and</strong> clearing<br />
house; <strong>and</strong> dealer, come to that. But of course, that also<br />
has its disadvantages.<br />
ED To sum up, we don’t really know what’s going<br />
to happen, we don’t know when it’s going to happen,<br />
it’s all going to be terribly complicated <strong>and</strong> a lot of you<br />
are going to be very busy over the coming years. So God<br />
bless us all.<br />
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FOA News<br />
Regulatory activities<br />
The FOA has a strong <strong>and</strong> continued focus on regulatory developments in the UK, the EU <strong>and</strong>, at a high level, the US<br />
<strong>and</strong> is responding to an increasing flow of consultation <strong>and</strong> discussion papers: both directly <strong>and</strong> in association with<br />
other industry associations. Copies of responses can be found at www.foa.co.uk<br />
Recent responses to regulatory consultation papers:<br />
Regulator Consultation Date submitted<br />
FSA<br />
CP11/4: The Client Money <strong>and</strong> Asset Return (CMAR):<br />
Operational Implementation<br />
March 2011<br />
FSA DP11/1: Product Intervention March 2011<br />
HM Treasury A new approach to regulation: building a stronger system April 2011<br />
EU Commission<br />
EU Commission<br />
Upcoming responses:<br />
Review of the Markets in Financial Instruments Directive<br />
(MIFID)<br />
Consultation on Legislative Steps for the Packaged Retail<br />
Investment Products Initiative<br />
February 2011<br />
February 2011<br />
EU Commission Consultation on Financial Sector Taxation 19 April 2011<br />
EU Commission Green Paper: The EU corporate governance framework 27 July 2011<br />
Operations<br />
The FOA maintains a comprehensive library of terms of business documentation covering a wide range of asset<br />
classes <strong>and</strong> client types. Although the existing documentation can be used for some of the existing OTC clearing<br />
facilities such as NYSE Liffe’s BClear service, some of the new OTC client services will require the drafting of<br />
new provisions to allow such services to be accommodated under the FOA st<strong>and</strong>ard terms. To this end, the FOA,<br />
in conjunction with Clifford Chance, is working with some of its library subscribers to develop the required<br />
documentation. FOA members wishing to find out more information should contact Hugo Jenkins at the FOA, on<br />
jenkinsh@foa.co.uk.<br />
FOA Public affairs<br />
FOA Chief Executive Anthony Belchambers continues to participate frequently in conferences <strong>and</strong> public meetings.<br />
In recent weeks he has spoken at the annual TradeTech conference at the ExCel centre, London <strong>and</strong> a Risk Magazine<br />
conference on Clearing <strong>and</strong> Settling OTC Derivatives, among other events.<br />
FOA provides the secretariat for the Associate Parliamentary Group on Wholesale Financial Markets <strong>and</strong><br />
Services. Last month, it organised a working dinner for MPs <strong>and</strong> members of the House of Lords on the Future of<br />
Commodities Regulation. As a member of the European Parliamentary Financial Services Forum in Brussels, it also<br />
participated in a training session for the researchers in the European parliament, on commodities.<br />
FOA Members<br />
The FOA is pleased to welcome the following recent new members:<br />
BNY Mellon Clearing International Dewey & LeBoeuf Stellar Trading Systems<br />
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EVENTS<br />
FOA Events Calendar<br />
IDX 2011<br />
Tuesday 7 & Wednesday 8 June – The Brewery<br />
The FIA <strong>and</strong> FOA are pleased to present the fourth International Derivatives Expo. Last year’s event included<br />
exhibits showcasing the latest in products, services <strong>and</strong> technology for the derivatives industry, 25+ sessions with<br />
high-profile speakers, information-packed workshops <strong>and</strong> valuable networking opportunities.<br />
Opportunities are available for Partnerships, Sponsors & Exhibitors.<br />
IDX Gala Dinner 2011<br />
Wednesday 8 June – The Artillery Gardens at the HAC<br />
The IDX Gala Dinner will once again be held in aid of <strong>Futures</strong> for Kids. The Dinner also provides a valuable<br />
networking opportunity for those attending IDX <strong>and</strong> the wider international financial community.<br />
Sponsorship opportunities <strong>and</strong> table reservations available for both FOA & non-FOA members.<br />
Compliance Forum<br />
Thursday 20 June – The Royal Bank of Scotl<strong>and</strong><br />
Topic to be confirmed<br />
Compliance Forum<br />
Thursday 28 July – UBS<br />
Topic to be confirmed<br />
FFK Events<br />
2nd Annual Quiz Night<br />
STOP PRESS: NOW SOLD OUT<br />
Thursday 12 May – Balls Brothers, Minster Court<br />
Walk to Work<br />
Friday 20 May<br />
Join FFK supporters on a walk to the City of London.<br />
Starting points – Tunbridge Wells (35 miles), Dunton Green (20 miles) <strong>and</strong> Chislehurst (10 miles).<br />
Golf Day<br />
ONLY A FEW PLACES REMAINING<br />
Monday 4 July – Brocket Hall<br />
Poker Night<br />
Thursday 22 September – London Capital Club<br />
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For more information on all events, please contact Bernadette Connolly on: connollyb@foa.co.uk or<br />
+44 20 7090 1334
DATE ANNOUNCED FOR<br />
<strong>THE</strong> NEXT FOA INFONET<br />
Trading Issues in ETD Markets<br />
Tuesday 12 July 2011<br />
6.00pm to 9.30pm<br />
Glaziers Hall, London Bridge SE1<br />
Topics to be discussed will include:<br />
HFT developments<br />
The future of proprietary trading<br />
Access, transparency <strong>and</strong> liquidity<br />
Regulatory development <strong>and</strong> their impact on liquidity providers<br />
Who can attend?<br />
This event is open to executives at FOA member firms <strong>and</strong> to specially<br />
invited guests of the FOA <strong>and</strong> InfoNet sponsors.<br />
For further information or to reserve a place:<br />
Contact Bernadette Connolly on +44 20 7090 1334 or e-mail connollyb@foa.co.uk