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Conversation Transcript 

Participants: 36 

Start Date: Jan 30, 2008 11:57:00 AM 

Duration: 1 h, 10 min 

Message Count: 230 

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[11:57 AM] wid_: I am creating a REST-like interface to make a message gateway for 

our php fronts, I want to set the presence of a user without having a session for him in 

my plugin 

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[11:57 AM] wid_: how can I do ? 


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[11:57 AM] Dawn: hi all! 

[11:57 AM] rob: Hello everybody 

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[11:58 AM] David: hi folks 

[11:58 AM] Dawn: hey David & Rob. 

[11:58 AM] rob: guest242, eu falo portugues 

[11:59 AM] ken.wiesner (ken.wiesner@xmpp.openfax.com/macbook) has joined the room

[11:59 AM] Daniel: Hi Folk! As you may have seen from our blog post on 

igniterealtime.org, we've got a lot of fun new features on the roadmap! On top of that 

we've gotten a lot of great suggestions in the comments! It's been quite helpful to us 

to get a feel for what's really important to everyone right now. 

[12:00 PM] Gato: rob - vs pode facer a seu pergunta em portugeus. 

[12:00 PM] nate (nate@jivesoftware.com/spark) has joined the room 

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[12:00 PM] Daniel: on an amusing sidenote, you may have noticed in the past that 

some of our posts on igniterealtime.org were not displaying well. ;) This was due to 

an odd CSS setting and has been fixed now, so you shouldn't be seeing weird 

overlapping text anymore. 

[12:00 PM] rob: gato, voce fala portugues tambem? 

[12:00 PM] axelsena (axelsena@jabber.uww.edu/Office) has joined the room 

[12:01 PM] Gato: rob - eu falo espaniol mais eu podo comprender portugues 

[12:01 PM] wroot (wroot) has joined the room 

[12:01 PM] wroot: hi 

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[12:01 PM] David: hi wroot 

[12:01 PM] slushpupie: so has anyone had any luck with the AOL XMPP server? 

[12:01 PM] David: slushpupie: yeah, for about 15 minutes 

[12:02 PM] David: then it turned into a smoking crater from digg 

[12:02 PM] rob: Gato, this is Rob from WGU. I speak Portuguese but I understand 

Spanish, too. :) 

[12:02 PM] wroot: Daniel - what about utf text in forums? 

[12:02 PM] Daniel: slush: i have but i stopped messing with it after my first logins to it 

[12:02 PM] wroot: it becomes ????? after a day 

[12:02 PM] Daniel: wroot: i have nothing to do with that ;D Dawn? 

[12:02 PM] slushpupie: David: how well did it work while it was still reachable? 

[12:02 PM] David: slushpupie: slow, didn't support avatars, but otherwise not too 

shabby 

[12:03 PM] Daniel: course if you ask me, it would be ideal if: was charset=utf-8 

but hey =) 

[12:03 PM] nate: I can look 

[12:03 PM] nate: should be set to utf8 

[12:04 PM] Dawn: I'm guessing the db and clearspace aren't playing nicely together 

on utf 

[12:04 PM] Dawn: I have full confidence in Nate :-) 

[12:04 PM] Daniel: excellent!

[12:04 PM] Gato: Rob - same story here but the opposite :) 

[12:04 PM] wroot: so, i have asked in the forums, but nobody replied, about issues to 

fix for every Spark release, Daniel? 

[12:04 PM] Dawn: we set it to UTF & changed some settings on the db, but it's really 

picky. 

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[12:04 PM] Daniel: what about them? 

[12:05 PM] wroot: Daniel - isnt it too much? even for you :) 45 issues for 2.5.9 

[12:05 PM] Daniel: well i mean just because you create the issues doesn't mean I'm 

doing them for 2.5.9 =) mostly it's important and helpful to get them recorded so we 

know there's an issue! 

[12:05 PM] wroot: i dont speak about mine, i mean roadmap 


[12:06 PM] wroot: 45 are sheduled for 2.5.9 

[12:06 PM] Daniel: i'm hoping to get some time to package up 2.5.9 in the near future 

and get it out. lots of reworking and improvements. there's at least one "big 

improvement" I'd like to get in that revolves around chat history and less sucking ;) 

[12:07 PM] Daniel: i'll be adjusting a lot of those away from 2.5.9 most likely 


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[12:07 PM] Daniel: i started gathering together groups of issues that appeared to be 

related 

[12:07 PM] wroot: Daniel, i see 

[12:07 PM] slushpupie: Daniel: any advancements on packaging for spark? 

[12:07 PM] Daniel: no unfortunately =/ i think it's a matter of needing to sit down and 

devote some time to it 

[12:07 PM] Daniel: it's not going to be easy, that's for sure 

[12:07 PM] Daniel: BUT 

[12:07 PM] Daniel: since i'm in portland right now, I'm hoping to tackle Derek and have 

him show me what ninja magic he does to do the existing package 

[12:08 PM] Daniel: so maybe we can at least get a manual built release out 

[12:08 PM] slushpupie: I wish there was an easy and free tool for building .msi files 

[12:08 PM] Daniel: yeah i know =/ 

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[12:08 PM] Daniel: the microsoft stuff is complex as hell 

[12:08 PM] Daniel: wix 

[12:08 PM] Daniel: hehehe 

[12:08 PM] David: /me wishes Windows had drag & drop installs... ;) 

[12:08 PM] Daniel: lol 

[12:08 PM] slushpupie: *cough*MAC*cough*

[12:09 PM] Daniel: it does have drag and drop installs it's a drag to install and you 

end up dropping your laptop out of annoyance 

[12:09 PM] David: slushpupie: to be fair, getting the dmg styled right was an exercise 

in frustration 

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[12:09 PM] David: mostly due to the Finder being a buggy POS about remembering 

view settings 

[12:09 PM] slushpupie: which was mostly cosmetic, and did not require special costly 

tools 

[12:09 PM] ken.wiesner (ken.wiesner@xmpp.openfax.com/macbook) has joined the room 

[12:09 PM] David: true! 

[12:10 PM] David: just applescript, ant, and patience 

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[12:10 PM] Daniel: It's very odd to me to be in this chat outside of my normal time. ;) 

[12:11 PM] wroot: Daniel - but you are still in USA :) 

[12:11 PM] Daniel: this is true ;) 

[12:11 PM] wroot: at least :) 

[12:11 PM] wroot: it's 8 PM here :) 

[12:11 PM] todd (mtstravel): visiting the actual office eh Daniel 

[12:11 PM] Daniel: hehe yup for the entire week 

[12:12 PM] todd (mtstravel): Got you out of the house 

[12:12 PM] Daniel: it's is a cold and rainy place here =/ 

[12:12 PM] todd (mtstravel): The light it burns...... 

[12:12 PM] wroot: office is a kind of house :) 

[12:12 PM] David: light? in portland? during the winter? 

[12:12 PM] slushpupie: at least its warm where you are 

[12:12 PM] Daniel: warm? 

[12:12 PM] slushpupie: yes. warm. 

[12:13 PM] slushpupie: as in, not -20 with a -45 windchill 

[12:13 PM] David: !cold != warm :P 

[12:13 PM] Dawn: I was about to complain about the cold, but I'll withdraw the snarky 

comments :-) 

[12:13 PM] Daniel: =P 

[12:13 PM] axelsena: if was close in wisconsin to that last night! around -15 with a -35 

winshield! 

[12:13 PM] Dawn: 37 (F) seems cold to me 

[12:14 PM] Dawn: todd - I fixed the issue in the community with the cut off avatars. 

[12:14 PM] wroot: what about cut off icons? 

[12:14 PM] David: Dawn++ 

[12:14 PM] Dawn: someone posted a thread with almost no space in the subject line

[12:14 PM] Dawn: our template puked on it 


[12:14 PM] Dawn: the avatars were being pushed off the side of the page in the 

community 

[12:15 PM] ken.wiesner: any idea what would cause the fastpath user chat window to 

throw a javascript error: room is not defined /webchat/queue.jsp 

Line 76? 

[12:15 PM] wroot: i have reported this long time ago 

[12:15 PM] wroot: in wrong place though :) 

[12:16 PM] Dawn: we'll be doing some work on the templates when we migrate to 

Clearspace 2.0 in a couple of months. Hopefully we can get these fixed more cleanly 

[12:16 PM] todd (mtstravel): I got the PM thanks Dawn 

[12:16 PM] todd (mtstravel): Just my anal side kicking in when I saw that in the 

community 

[12:17 PM] rob: this chat still doesn't work for me in IE 7 - just says "Loading Chat" 

[12:18 PM] rob: but it works fine in Firefox 

[12:18 PM] todd (mtstravel): welcome to the wonderful world of IE sux 

[12:19 PM] wroot: IE 8 got through the acid test.. 

[12:19 PM] todd (mtstravel): we will see 

[12:19 PM] rob: yes, and welcome to the wonderful world of IE still has by far the most 

market share in businesses 

[12:19 PM] todd (mtstravel): probably will only support half of css 2 

[12:19 PM] David: wroot: IE8 is an entirely new engine 

[12:19 PM] David: which is turned off by default 

[12:19 PM] David: even in IE8 


[12:20 PM] rob: as much as developers don't like IE, business apps should be made 

to work in it 

[12:20 PM] David: rob: we rewrote sparkweb in flash to achieve that 

[12:20 PM] Daniel: rob: I've been able to use the chat with IE just fine in the past. =) 

Weird. 

[12:21 PM] rob: cool, David. Yeah, I like the flash SparkWeb much better. :) 

[12:21 PM] rob: Daniel, on 2 different computers over the past couple months IE 7 has 

never worked for me for this chat 

[12:21 PM] slushpupie: flash makes my computer crash- I want the ajax version back 

:-) 

[12:21 PM] wroot: btw 

[12:22 PM] todd (mtstravel): Daniel don't forget to drop my name a few times while 

you are out there. 

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[12:22 PM] todd (mtstravel): It's lunch time and I could use a few of those bone 

[12:22 PM] wroot: what do you think, how should active tab chat look like? lightewr or 

darker? 

[12:22 PM] todd (mtstravel): ;-) 

[12:23 PM] wroot: in Spark it's dark, in SparkWeb it's lighter 


[12:23 PM] Daniel: i'll start yelling todd spastically as i walk by people 

[12:23 PM] todd (mtstravel): I don't care as long as it is consistent 

[12:23 PM] Daniel: rob: really? wow i wonder how i lucked up ;D 

[12:24 PM] todd (mtstravel): LOL 

[12:24 PM] rob: I like the tabs are highlighted in SparkWeb better - I've posted a 

feature request to change that behavior in Spark 

[12:24 PM] Daniel: slush: clearly you need a new computer ;D ;D ;D 

[12:24 PM] todd (mtstravel): 

I got the law college running on openfire/spark 

[12:24 PM] Daniel: sweet! 

[12:24 PM] todd (mtstravel): next the guy wants me to help him with SSO 

[12:25 PM] wroot: Daniel, what do you think? (about tab colors) 

[12:25 PM] David: wroot: the metaphor in sparkweb is that the active tab is "in the 

front", and as such illuminated directly 

[12:25 PM] Daniel: i don't particularly see anything wrong with them 

[12:25 PM] David: the background tabs are in shadow 

[12:25 PM] Daniel: i don't think they're anything special either ;) 

[12:26 PM] David: also, just for the record, they're both horrid and I want to rewrite 

them ;) 

[12:26 PM] Daniel: i could spend a full time job improving spark LOL oh well 

[12:26 PM] wroot: most of the apps (clearspace editor, firefox) use lighter colors for 

active tabs 

[12:26 PM] wroot: it's confusing for new users 

[12:26 PM] David: wroot: ah, well... I'm not on a platform that does that 

[12:27 PM] David: Spark is the confusing one here 

[12:27 PM] wroot: yeah 

[12:27 PM] Daniel: intellij acutally looks exactly like spark 

[12:27 PM] Daniel: in terms of colors of it's tabs 

[12:27 PM] wroot: :) 

[12:27 PM] David: Daniel: more than a fulltime job, actually. Evan alone has made 

>11,000 commits to Adium over five years 


[12:27 PM] Daniel: i've seen about equal of both styles 

[12:27 PM] David: and many of those improvements would apply to any IM client


[12:28 PM] SmilingJ (smilingj@smilingj.net/jgrimm12) has joined the room 

[12:29 PM] David: sigh... speaking of internet explorer, Francisco just helped pin 

down an IE bug in sparkweb flash 


[12:29 PM] David: Even when not directly involved, it STILL manages to thwart me 



[12:30 PM] todd (mtstravel): Daniel: on a side not I finally got my CSS nightmare fixed 

for IE, for the site I am writing. 

[12:30 PM] todd (mtstravel): I can now sleep at night 

[12:31 PM] Daniel: lol awesome that's a challenge and a half! 

[12:32 PM] todd (mtstravel): had to ditch more than half my code and restructure but I 

got it 

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[12:33 PM] Daniel: wow 

[12:33 PM] Daniel: that's a new one 

[12:34 PM] Daniel: i just got some spam that flagged -itself- as spam 

[12:34 PM] David: hahaha 

[12:34 PM] Daniel: reverse psychology? 

[12:34 PM] todd (mtstravel): hehe 

[12:36 PM] Daniel: not a lot of questions or anything today =) 

[12:36 PM] wroot: you want me to start asking?? :) 

[12:37 PM] David: heck, I can ask some if people are bored ;) 

[12:38 PM] Daniel: One of the ejabberd issues is referring to our IRC transport 

implementation as good. Discuss. ;) 

[12:38 PM] David: transparent bridging of xmpp to irc would be so sweet :) 

[12:38 PM] Daniel: hehehe i'd still like to implement my IRC "front end" to XMPP 

some day =) I know it's not the same but hey 

[12:38 PM] Daniel: lord 

[12:38 PM] Daniel: so many "fun things" on my plate 

[12:39 PM] Daniel: so little time 

[12:39 PM] David: yup :( I've got a todo list longer than I can remember 

[12:39 PM] David: probably will never get to most of it 

[12:39 PM] Daniel: run david! francisco is on his way to show you something else! 

[12:39 PM] wroot: yeah.. 

[12:39 PM] wroot: i think i'll delete my todo someday :) 

[12:40 PM] Daniel: LOL start fresh =) 

[12:40 PM] slushpupie: Daniel: you mean like bitlbee ? 

[12:40 PM] Daniel: *drag to trash, right click, empty trash* OOOPS that was totally by 

accident

[12:40 PM] wroot: of course there is always a backup :) 

[12:40 PM] Daniel: slush: not really bitlbee is something else if i recall correctly. kind 

of it's own protocol with XMPP and IRC interfaces. similar in concept though. XMPP 

with IRC interface. 

[12:41 PM] Daniel: one of my friends swears by some bitlebee 

[12:41 PM] David: man. Having Francisco in the office is great 

[12:41 PM] slushpupie: bitlbee is an irc server that connects to protocols, xmpp being 

one of them 

[12:41 PM] slushpupie: think pidgin in irc form 

[12:41 PM] Daniel: hrm *looks at list of spark issues* what would happen if i created 

a new JIRA project for spark and forgot about all of these ones ;) 

[12:41 PM] Daniel: kidding 


[12:42 PM] Daniel: it's kinda funny to see him hopping up and dashing about 




[12:44 PM] todd 2 (mtstravel) (anonymous) has joined the room 

[12:44 PM] todd 2 (mtstravel): Web chat bumped me but I am still there 

[12:44 PM] todd 2 (mtstravel): I feel like Daniel from past weeks 

[12:45 PM] David: oops. Getting my languages crossed here, just tried to return a 

BOOL in actionscript >.< 

[12:45 PM] Daniel: =P hey man Daniel2 was an institution 

[12:46 PM] David: s/was an/was in an/g 

[12:46 PM] Daniel: =P 

[12:46 PM] todd 2 (mtstravel): hehe 

[12:46 PM] todd 2 (mtstravel): but not exclusive I guess 

[12:47 PM] todd 2 (mtstravel): I can do anything you can do but better ;-) 




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[12:48 PM] todd 2 (mtstravel): and on my 7 year old mac at that 

[12:51 PM] rob: Daniel, here's the URL of the thread with my feature request to reverse 

the tab highlighting in Spark: http://www.igniterealtime.org/community/thread/29058 

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[12:52 PM] wroot: i can give another URL, recent request about the same :) 

[12:52 PM] Daniel: wroot: have oyu already created an issue for this? 

[12:53 PM] wroot: no 

[12:53 PM] Daniel: would you mind? ;)

[12:53 PM] wroot: but i wount be able to VOTE!!! :) 

[12:53 PM] wroot: ok, i can create this 

[12:53 PM] Daniel: anyone know what happened to LG btw? he's been kind of 

invisible! 

[12:54 PM] wroot: rob - i'kk reply 

[12:54 PM] Daniel: creating it is a vote in itself LOL 

[12:54 PM] wroot: rob - i mean in your thread 

[12:54 PM] wroot: Daniel - only in chat 

[12:54 PM] rob: I'll vote for it. Thanks, wroot. 

[12:55 PM] wroot: i've seen him in forums not so long ago 

[12:56 PM] rob: it's been fun, kids. TTYL. 

[12:56 PM] David: bye rob 

[12:56 PM] rob (anonymous) has left the room 

[12:56 PM] wroot: # Last Logged In: Jan 20, 2008 9:08 PM 

[12:57 PM] wroot: i'm going too, have to create that ticket :) 

[12:57 PM] wroot: bye 

[12:57 PM] David: bye wroot 

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[1:00 PM] David: could someone say something? I'm testing 

[1:00 PM] Dawn: hi david! 

[1:00 PM] David: thanks :) 

[1:01 PM] Dawn: ok, bye everyone! 

[1:01 PM] David: bye Dawn 

[1:01 PM] Daniel: ok folk, well it looks like we're coming to an end this week =) not a 

lot to talk about this time! but that's ok =D hope to see y'all next week! 

[1:03 PM] Armando (armando.jagucki@jivesoftware.com/Psi) has joined the room 

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[1:05 PM] Dallas: Damn 

[1:05 PM] Dallas: I missed it. 

[1:05 PM] Dallas: By like 4 minutes 

[1:05 PM] Dallas: What a shame. 

[1:05 PM] David: sup? I'm still around 

[1:06 PM] Daniel: i am too actually 

[1:06 PM] Dallas: heh 

[1:06 PM] Dallas: So, does gateway not allow for the blocking of users? 

[1:06 PM] Dallas: On separate transports 

[1:06 PM] SmilingJ (smilingj@smilingj.net/jgrimm12) has left the room 

[1:07 PM] Daniel: it doesn't specifically have any support for that, no. i don't know if 

openfire "intercepts" blocks and handles them itself though

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