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44 Two: Education, right from the primary level to the university level should be made free and compulsory. As it is made free and compulsory, then both boys and girls should have an access to this particular free and compulsory education. Still on education, of late there was this Davy Koech educational Commission. And up to now we have not yet seen its findings. So, I propose that, any other Commission in Kenya, whether it is on devil worship, educational, tribal clashes, e.t.c. Those Commissions be made public, and we should have an access to them so that we know exactly what has been going on in this country of ours. Then under education, personally I don’t see the need of having some post graduates, graduating from our universities every year, - whereas – once you come to the job sector there are no jobs.- If Kenya is only able to employ five graduates every year, lets have the five thousand graduates joining the public universities so that they get employed. So we should give as much –you know- of– the university – places or vacancies with the number of jobs there are in this country. Still at education; If the government has entered into any contract with its citizens, - the workers particularly,- it might have been teachers, and it went to an extend of gazeting it, it means that this is something which is legal, something which is a law. Once they start coming,- to tell the teachers that there is no money in this particular country,- that is something which is very very illegal. So if the government has entered into a contract with its citizens, then it should at least fulfill that, without breaching it whatsoever. Separation of power: We know that we have three main organs of the government. The Executive, Legislature and the Judiciary. But most unfortunately there are no clear cut lines between this particular three organs. To be specific, the Executive is the one who influences all of them. Take for example; our parliament does not have its calender. The calender of the parliament as per the current constitution is, - you know, - made or decided by the president. Anasema ni wakati gani wa uchaguzi, wakati gani wabunge waende sijui likizo and what have you. The parliament should be independent to come up with its own calender. Incase of the Executive, we see that when it comes to the appoitment of judges of the high court, the Attornery General, Chief justice that is done by the chief Executive, that is, the president. And this should not be the case. Such a very important people should be appointed by parliament and be vetted, so that we can get the correct personalities, maning those Executive offices. That the Executive should be detached separated from completely from the legislature as well as from the judiciary. Presidency – Its unfortunate that the people who drafted the very original indepent constitution messed. They gave very many powers to the president. So many powers such that he is for example, above the law. There should be nobody in Kenya who is above the law.
45 Interjection from Com. Wanjiku: Mr. Kiongo, (she speaks in Kikuyu). Then the – In the recommendation that the president should not be above the law, then we move on to the next one. (She speaks in Kikuyu) Kiongo: See other presidency, this idea of having some Dot com leading us, I personally do not welcome it. So the age of the president should be from 30 years minimum, to about 60 years. And once he is over 60 years, he should retire and go. Two terms of five years each, so that once the term is over he goes. He should be a person of – at least, a graduate- as far as education is concerned. Somebody who is of good, - I mean somebody who is morally upright. Then political parties: as per today if I am not wrong, we have about forty two registered political parties. According to me that’s a waste of resources, time and even manpower. I would recommend that it be stated that we should only have five maximum political parties in Kenya. And they be funded from the state coffers, yes,- and then, other- these political parties. I don’t know how to put it, but there should be no defections. Unaona ya kwamba nimechaguliwa sawa sawa katika chama fulani, and in the middle of the parliamentary term, unaona ya kwamba nimetoka chama changu nimenenda chama kingine. There should be no defection whatsoever. Incase of such defections, it should be even a crime. Kwa sababu nilichaguliwa katika chama fulani na ounc ninatoroka kwa sababu ya pesa. Incase somebody defects that should be now a criminal case, well according to me. Incase of changing any constitution, the current Constitution will just say that we should have just two thirds of the parliamentarian. I personally see that this number is a bit too low. It should be three quarters of the total number of the MPs instead of the two thirds. As far as the legislature is concerned, it should be so much empowered such that some of powers invested on the office of the president should now go to parliament so that it be made very powerful and very indepent. Maximum number of Ministers: 15 Ministers, 15 assistant Ministers, 15 P.S and not a matter of having 15 ministries and over 30 Ministers that is very irrelevant indeed. So this is my summary madam. Com. Wanjiku: Thank you very much Mr. Kiongo. (Inaudible) speaks in Kikuyu. Thank you very much, now Mr. Njuguna. Mr. Njuguna: (Speaks in Kikuyu). Com. Wanjiku: Thank you very much. Now, Mr. Nathan…eeh? Is it Nathan Njuguna? Or Wilson Njuguna? Your name I can ’t read. And then Paul Kamau, Paul Kamau areko? Wilson Njuguna: (Speaks in Kikuyu). Com. Wanjiku: Okay, thank you very much. Now, sorry, (Speaks in Kikuyu). …Paul umekuja?
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Page 5 and 6: 5 (Interjection) Kwa hivyo tungelip
Page 7 and 8: 7 Yangu ya mwisho ni hii habari ya
Page 9 and 10: 9 control the use of land. The gove
Page 11 and 12: 11 Answer: Eee, aliniambia tu niwap
Page 13 and 14: 13 Gachomba: Okay, haya maoni natoa
Page 15 and 16: 15 Ni makosa makubwa sana. Kwa saba
Page 17 and 18: 17 administration, for it has prove
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Page 21 and 22: 21 (Translation is done in Kikuyu).
Page 23 and 24: 23 Haya, ile jambo lingine nilikuwa
Page 25 and 26: 25 Com. Wambua: Okay, twendelee sas
Page 27 and 28: 27 Administration: ………… (Co
Page 29 and 30: 29 come up with conclusive ideas. F
Page 31 and 32: 31 Com. Wanjiku: Thank you very muc
Page 33 and 34: 33 chake. Nafikiria nitafikia hapo,
Page 35 and 36: 35 maruna matari miga noria magerer
Page 37 and 38: 37 Then we come to Judiciary: ♦ J
Page 39 and 40: 39 kulingana na vile tunataka,- zet
Page 41 and 42: 41 David Macharia: I think what the
Page 43: 43 there-Thomano Kiaire, Martha Nya
Page 47 and 48: 47 naona. Lakini nyinyi wenyewe mfi
Page 49 and 50: 49 Interjection. Com. Wanjiku: tafa
Page 51 and 52: 51 walichaguliwa ma- D.O na ma-Chie
Page 53 and 54: 53 But they were not, - it was not
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Page 57 and 58: 57 Corruption nio niyagerero kunino
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Page 65 and 66: 65 Kama anasaidiwa nanjia mzuri…
Page 67 and 68: 67 wanalingana na serikali. Sio ati
Page 69 and 70: 69 Councilor: Karibu sana… karibu
Page 71 and 72: 71 be disciplined because of bad be
Page 73 and 74: 73 Ya mwisho, mimi ningeuliza barab
Page 75: 75 Meeting ended at 5.30 p.m. &&&&&

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