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93 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 DR. HOLTZMAN: So I think we need to be -- you know, as we look -- MR. CAPRON: The term of art is anonymized. DR. HOLTZMAN: Well, okay. So as we went through our discussion before we got to the issue of the researcher being able to go back, for clinical purposes let me call that, that you made a discovery should you be able to go back to the patient and help them. Before we even got to that whole issue the motivation for not having, let me call them purely anonymized, the motivation for a notion of encryption was that as epidemiological information accrued over time to the sample that could be important to the research and that we wanted that to be able to pass through, okay. So coming back to my example, from what I have heard I come to you, all right -- by the way we have done this. We have come to you, right, and said we want access to the Framingham samples. We get them in from our perspective, millennium's perspective, in anonymous fashion, right. We do not know who the heck we are -- they are. But it would be really nice as we are doing our research if additional longitudinal information accrues to what for you is sample John Jones for me is sample
94 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 whatever, that information floats through and that was our primary initial motivation for that even though there is -- why not pure -- not purely anonymized but encrypted so the epidemiological information flows through. DR. OLD: Right. So -- DR. HOLTZMAN: -- so in your terms if epidemiological information continued and can flow through to the sample -- DR. EMANUEL: Without identifiers. DR. HOLTZMAN: -- without identifiers, is that anonymizable? DR. OLD: No. DR. HOLTZMAN: That is not. MR. CAPRON: It is identifiable. DR. OLD: That is not -- if -- and the researcher has to decide -- DR. HOLTZMAN: Okay. DR. OLD: -- if for some reason you need to know something about those participants then that is identifiable. DR. HOLTZMAN: Okay. DR. OLD: And that is not anonymous. DR. HOLTZMAN: Okay. DR. OLD: And it is up to the researcher to
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DR. HOLTZMAN: So I th<strong>in</strong>k we need to be -- you<br />
know, as we look --<br />
MR. CAPRON: The term of art is anonymized.<br />
DR. HOLTZMAN: Well, okay. So as we went<br />
through our discussion before we got to the issue of the<br />
researcher be<strong>in</strong>g able to go back, for cl<strong>in</strong>ical purposes let<br />
me call that, that you made a discovery should you be able<br />
to go back to the patient and help them. Before we even<br />
got to that whole issue the motivation for not hav<strong>in</strong>g, let<br />
me call them purely anonymized, the motivation for a notion<br />
of encryption was that as epidemiological <strong>in</strong>formation<br />
accrued over time to the sample that could be important to<br />
the research and that we wanted that to be able to pass<br />
through, okay.<br />
So com<strong>in</strong>g back to my example, from what I have<br />
heard I come to you, all right -- by the way we have done<br />
this. We have come to you, right, and said we want access<br />
to the Fram<strong>in</strong>gham samples. We get them <strong>in</strong> from our<br />
perspective, millennium's perspective, <strong>in</strong> anonymous<br />
fashion, right. We do not know who the heck we are -- they<br />
are.<br />
But it would be really nice as we are do<strong>in</strong>g our<br />
research if additional longitud<strong>in</strong>al <strong>in</strong>formation accrues to<br />
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