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DR. EMANUEL: Yes, that is right.
MR. CAPRON: And he gets the 100 samples and
they are labeled one to 100 and --
DR. EMANUEL: Right.
MR. CAPRON: -- and the pathologist does not
keep a record of which people those came from.
DR. EMANUEL: Well, even if he does I mean we
can play it through. But say he does keep a record for the
most extreme case he keeps a personal record. I mean, one
of the reasons for talking about the encryption barrier is
to say that there is not -- you cannot walk backwards.
MR. CAPRON: Well, encryption -- with barriers
you can walk backwards but if there is anonymous samples
with just one to 100 and he does not keep it you cannot. I
mean, if he later -- now what we are -- it does seem to me
that the genetics aspect comes in here.
Suppose that what the researcher is doing is
not asking for the medical record to find out about the
sexual history or the gestational history of these women
but is instead asking is there a gene here and he looks
through these and he says, "In this group I get 88 of these
women have a gene," and he goes out and he says to the
pathologist, "Send me samples from 100 women who did not
have this cancer." The pathologist sends them and he does