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So, I mean, I th<strong>in</strong>k it is a worthwhile concept<br />

to br<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> but I do not th<strong>in</strong>k that the fact that there are<br />

only "three types of protection" means that the level of<br />

risks that are <strong>in</strong>volved are the same for all and,<br />

therefore, we would <strong>in</strong>voke the protections with the same<br />

expectations of need for us<strong>in</strong>g them.<br />

DR. EMANUEL: I th<strong>in</strong>k, Alex, your suggestion<br />

about the three-dimensionality of the framework is<br />

absolutely right and that is why the boxes are, you know,<br />

<strong>in</strong> some sense -- while risk is an important consideration,<br />

the way you take care of risk, what you do about it, how<br />

you operationalize it <strong>in</strong> terms of protections, that is what<br />

we have put <strong>in</strong>.<br />

So your th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g and my th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g are exactly<br />

parallel and I th<strong>in</strong>k what we are see<strong>in</strong>g here is the<br />

question of, <strong>in</strong> fact, when we th<strong>in</strong>k about the k<strong>in</strong>ds of<br />

research that are go<strong>in</strong>g to fit <strong>in</strong>to these different boxes<br />

what are the levels of risk that might be <strong>in</strong>volved and part<br />

of the problem is at least at the moment we do not have<br />

actually concrete research studies.<br />

One of the th<strong>in</strong>gs the commission did do is to<br />

look at some of the studies that have existed that have<br />

worked with these k<strong>in</strong>ds of samples and talked about what we<br />

thought some of the risks might be.

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