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review and full IRB review there may be categories that
segregate out as exempt from IRB review because people have
gone through enough studies to realize that these do not
really require anything more than, you know, what now I
think are termed exemptions under the Common Rule. But I
think this discussion to me is valuable in that it makes me
realize we need to articulate better the rationale for
collapsing down the matrix in final recommendations and
also forcing us to rethink are there other kinds of
protections that would give us even more permutations for
the different boxes.
DR. MURRAY: Harold and Larry?
DR. SHAPIRO: I have just a simple -- I think
it is a pedagogical suggestion. It does not enter into the
substance of this argument but I found it helpful and just
pass it on.
I found it helpful in looking at these various
possibilities and matrixes to organize it somewhat
differently, which gave me more flexibility in my thinking,
namely I would put along the top "possible protections,"
and they define all the rows. And then -- excuse me, they
define the columns. Excuse me. They define the columns.
And then down -- but to define the rows are just
differences you would want to make, whether you want to use