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with<strong>in</strong> the federal sector, <strong>in</strong> look<strong>in</strong>g down on our present<br />

body, the OPRR.<br />

I th<strong>in</strong>k that the commission should take a<br />

strong position and my recommendation would be to take a<br />

strong position <strong>in</strong> overcom<strong>in</strong>g this conflict of missions,<br />

structural conflict, as a violation of -- it is a violation<br />

of the pr<strong>in</strong>ciple that Congress used <strong>in</strong> adopt<strong>in</strong>g the<br />

legislation of the <strong>National</strong> Research Act, which was to put<br />

the <strong>in</strong>terest of research subjects first. And the basic<br />

problem is that the location of OPRR <strong>in</strong> government or of<br />

the McCarthy plan <strong>in</strong> government still evades the deeper<br />

ethical pr<strong>in</strong>ciple on which the whole system rests.<br />

If you have a contradiction at that basic level<br />

that is not really an acceptable ethical solution to the<br />

problem that we are <strong>in</strong>.<br />

DR. SHAPIRO: Thank you very much. Thank you<br />

for those remarks.<br />

Let me turn to our other guests aga<strong>in</strong> before<br />

turn<strong>in</strong>g to members of the commission.<br />

We have got someone who has traveled all the<br />

way from the middle part of the country, Ill<strong>in</strong>ois, so let<br />

me turn to you, Ms. Gonsalus.<br />

MS. GONSALUS: Thank you. It is a pleasure to<br />

be here. S<strong>in</strong>ce you do not have anyth<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> writ<strong>in</strong>g from me

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