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and to go through a process of f<strong>in</strong>d<strong>in</strong>g subjects at times<br />

when they are able to consent, Zeke, and work<strong>in</strong>g with<br />

people longitud<strong>in</strong>ally <strong>in</strong>stead of just say<strong>in</strong>g, "Gee, I need<br />

subjects and I want them to be depressed and so I will get<br />

them when they are depressed right now rather than hav<strong>in</strong>g<br />

to take the greater effort to work with them over time<br />

until they come to a po<strong>in</strong>t where they are not depressed and<br />

can anticipate a future episode and how they would be<br />

will<strong>in</strong>g to react at that time."<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: So this is k<strong>in</strong>d of conceptual<br />

normative work to be done?<br />

MR. CAPRON: I th<strong>in</strong>k it is -- yes, conceptual<br />

normative.<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: What else do we need to do?<br />

MS. BACKLAR: Perhaps we actually need to do<br />

some boxes. God help us.<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: These are not boxed boxes but<br />

they serve the same purpose but we may need more<br />

complicated one along the l<strong>in</strong>es of Zeke's several<br />

categories. We will <strong>in</strong>fluence Jonathan soon enough.<br />

MR. CAPRON: Jim, there is another generic<br />

question that -- usually I do not th<strong>in</strong>k it makes sense to<br />

spend a lot of time as a whole group wordsmith<strong>in</strong>g, but I<br />

have been bothered with the draft as it now stands by the

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