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would set up <strong>in</strong> place a standard that would essentially<br />

stop such research if there were -- if that is where we<br />

th<strong>in</strong>k we are go<strong>in</strong>g. I do not th<strong>in</strong>k we want to do that. I<br />

th<strong>in</strong>k we want to look at feasible and useful ways of<br />

creat<strong>in</strong>g a participation for those subjects that assures<br />

the research goes forward because it is crucial and at the<br />

same time protects them.<br />

I th<strong>in</strong>k that is what Trish was try<strong>in</strong>g to br<strong>in</strong>g<br />

to us <strong>in</strong> look<strong>in</strong>g at as one tool the research advance<br />

directive. But we certa<strong>in</strong>ly do -- and I was very troubled<br />

to see that families were removed from that potential role<br />

with some of these populations.<br />

But I do not want to have the conversation<br />

cont<strong>in</strong>ued with some assumption that we are will<strong>in</strong>g to give<br />

up this research because we cannot seem to f<strong>in</strong>d a way to<br />

adequately protect subjects and yet let this important<br />

research go forward. Remember greater than m<strong>in</strong>imal risk is<br />

not necessarily extraord<strong>in</strong>arily risky sets of experiments.<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: It seems to me that this is one<br />

place, let me get some feedback, where we could profit a<br />

great deal from some <strong>in</strong>put from <strong>in</strong>vestigators and others<br />

over the next few weeks and I am not necessarily talk<strong>in</strong>g<br />

about a study but get some feedback on this. One of the --<br />

as you recall from the discussion with the Genetics

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