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(Simultaneous discussion.)<br />

DR. LO: Well, the law requires clear and<br />

conv<strong>in</strong>c<strong>in</strong>g evidence. Most people do not give it. What<br />

happens <strong>in</strong> New York is that doctors want the law because it<br />

is the most ethical th<strong>in</strong>g to do.<br />

MR. CAPRON: Right. That is my po<strong>in</strong>t. That is<br />

why you could say that "advance directives" have been a<br />

failure and why everybody <strong>in</strong> the country does not have one<br />

because the message is out there to people and their<br />

doctors that these decisions are go<strong>in</strong>g to get made anyway.<br />

As I say to you, do a thought experiment, if<br />

the experiment I described before was the case where<br />

everybody got the full court press everyth<strong>in</strong>g medic<strong>in</strong>e<br />

could do until they fell apart biologically or<br />

physiologically you could be damn sure that there would be<br />

a lot more people hav<strong>in</strong>g advance directives and every<br />

doctor would raise it with any patient who he thought was<br />

with<strong>in</strong> ten years of death because he would not want to be<br />

stuck hav<strong>in</strong>g to do that.<br />

DR. EMANUEL: Alex --<br />

MR. CAPRON: But that is not the case. That is<br />

why advance directives have not worked here. We all avoid<br />

th<strong>in</strong>k<strong>in</strong>g about death, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera.<br />

That is not the case with these patients if they are <strong>in</strong>

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