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advance science.<br />

DR. DUMAS: Yes, right, very true. I do not<br />

understand why --<br />

DR. SHAPIRO: Microphone.<br />

DR. DUMAS: I do not understand why it is so<br />

difficult. You know, I sit here and I th<strong>in</strong>k these th<strong>in</strong>gs<br />

seem to be <strong>in</strong> general -- they are address<strong>in</strong>g problems that<br />

we talked about a long time and they seem solvable. I do<br />

not understand why it is so complicated. I have a feel<strong>in</strong>g<br />

that it is not really that complicated. Why are we do<strong>in</strong>g<br />

this? What is go<strong>in</strong>g on? What is go<strong>in</strong>g on?<br />

DR. CASSELL: It is complicated. Rhetaugh, it<br />

is complicated because we are try<strong>in</strong>g to say we want to f<strong>in</strong>d<br />

out what this person would th<strong>in</strong>k to be <strong>in</strong> their best<br />

<strong>in</strong>terest as they know those <strong>in</strong>terests.<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: This is not the --<br />

DR. DUMAS: Well, you do not ask that question.<br />

(Simultaneous discussion.)<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: That is the case here.<br />

DR. DUMAS: No. You ask that person -- you<br />

tell that person someth<strong>in</strong>g about the research you are<br />

do<strong>in</strong>g. You ask them if they are will<strong>in</strong>g to participate.<br />

You expla<strong>in</strong> as best you can what the implications are and<br />

you extract a yes or a no, or I cannot answer, or someth<strong>in</strong>g

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