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and so on, all right.<br />

Or if they say it is not that we do not value<br />

it but that it conflicts with some other value that we have<br />

that precludes us do<strong>in</strong>g it.<br />

Now, aga<strong>in</strong>, I say that I do not have any<br />

background <strong>in</strong> this area and maybe this is not relevant but<br />

just listen<strong>in</strong>g to the discussion --<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: Let me add one po<strong>in</strong>t before<br />

gett<strong>in</strong>g to Eric and Bernie.<br />

When we ask the question would it work here,<br />

has it worked <strong>in</strong> another area, I th<strong>in</strong>k we do have to ask<br />

work <strong>in</strong> relation to what. The critical question here, and<br />

I th<strong>in</strong>k we saw it <strong>in</strong> the exchange between Zeke and Alex is<br />

work <strong>in</strong> terms of facilitat<strong>in</strong>g research, work <strong>in</strong> terms of<br />

protect<strong>in</strong>g subjects and their autonomy.<br />

I am not putt<strong>in</strong>g those <strong>in</strong> cast but work -- it<br />

was differently -- there was a different emphasis <strong>in</strong> your<br />

comments as to whether it would work or not I th<strong>in</strong>k and it<br />

seems to me that the fundamental attention that we have to<br />

face <strong>in</strong> this area because it can -- it can certa<strong>in</strong>ly be<br />

said it works if only one percent fill out a form it works<br />

<strong>in</strong> one sense but it will not permit research to go forward.<br />

So a lot depends on what you are emphasiz<strong>in</strong>g, I th<strong>in</strong>k, <strong>in</strong><br />

terms of what works.

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