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views differently now that we are clear about what we mean<br />

here because we are limit<strong>in</strong>g this to greater than m<strong>in</strong>imal<br />

risk nonpotentially beneficial research?<br />

DR. EMANUEL: Well, I th<strong>in</strong>k there are two<br />

separate th<strong>in</strong>gs. One -- sorry, I mis<strong>in</strong>terpreted the chart.<br />

I apologize. I did not <strong>in</strong>terpret --<br />

MR. CAPRON: It is a fault of the chart. It is<br />

easy --<br />

DR. CHILDRESS: Instead of X put --<br />

DR. EMANUEL: It is my fault. I was -- I<br />

understand the -- let me separate it. I understand the<br />

motivation <strong>in</strong> this category of greater than m<strong>in</strong>imal risk or<br />

no potential benefit to want higher levels of protections.<br />

I still object or still f<strong>in</strong>d the idea of try<strong>in</strong>g to use<br />

advance directives -- not go<strong>in</strong>g to reach the objective.<br />

What I heard from Alex and what I hear around<br />

the table is we share the concern. We need protections for<br />

people. The question is whether this answers that concern<br />

and whether this is the procedure that is go<strong>in</strong>g to answer<br />

that concern.<br />

My sense, aga<strong>in</strong> import<strong>in</strong>g some <strong>in</strong>formation from<br />

other areas, is it is not go<strong>in</strong>g to.<br />

Two th<strong>in</strong>gs <strong>in</strong> response to Alex. First, I agree<br />

end of life may not be a perfect analogy here. On the

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