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that I am supposed to be writ<strong>in</strong>g someth<strong>in</strong>g about the change<br />

over those 20 years and this will allow me to put it off<br />

yet for another -- anyway I th<strong>in</strong>k that is a subject that we<br />

might give consideration to.<br />

A number of us feel very strongly about the<br />

issue of education. This has come up repeatedly <strong>in</strong><br />

relationship to the knowledge that IRB members br<strong>in</strong>g to<br />

their work and to the failures of <strong>in</strong>vestigators, the young<br />

ones and more experienced ones, because they simply do not<br />

know enough about research ethics or ethics <strong>in</strong> general.<br />

The media is very poorly <strong>in</strong>formed about issues of ethics<br />

and policy makers, legislators and the public at large.<br />

There is not only the issue of ethics. It is the issue of<br />

science education <strong>in</strong> general that came up through the<br />

clon<strong>in</strong>g report.<br />

We th<strong>in</strong>k that this aga<strong>in</strong> is an area where staff<br />

background -- and we beg<strong>in</strong> to f<strong>in</strong>d out who is do<strong>in</strong>g what.<br />

What foundations are out there who have money to do studies<br />

on education? What government bodies are do<strong>in</strong>g it or th<strong>in</strong>k<br />

they are do<strong>in</strong>g it and so forth? Just as <strong>in</strong> other areas we<br />

th<strong>in</strong>k we have to lay out a fair amount of <strong>in</strong>formation and<br />

background studies before we tackle it but we feel very,<br />

very strongly about it.<br />

Bette Kramer and I spoke about it earlier today

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