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must beg<strong>in</strong> to close the morn<strong>in</strong>g session but if I may try to<br />

repose the question.<br />

Why don't we go back and why don't we simply<br />

have a rule that says for samples collected prior to our<br />

report that none of them may be used without explicit<br />

consent? I th<strong>in</strong>k that -- Rhetaugh?<br />

DR. DUMAS: After hear<strong>in</strong>g the presentation I --<br />

DR. MURRAY: You need to use the mike.<br />

DR. SHAPIRO: You have got to get close to the<br />

mike.<br />

DR. DUMAS: After hear<strong>in</strong>g this presentation I<br />

have had some second thoughts about that. I th<strong>in</strong>k, first<br />

of all, I would cont<strong>in</strong>ue to feel that our overrid<strong>in</strong>g<br />

pr<strong>in</strong>ciples should be <strong>in</strong>formed consent. If you have got a<br />

number of samples that you have had for a number of years<br />

and it is literally impossible to ga<strong>in</strong> that consent then my<br />

next question would be what is the next best pr<strong>in</strong>ciple to<br />

use and I like the idea of the IRB's and the def<strong>in</strong>ition of<br />

the role of the pathologist. That softens the issue<br />

somewhat for me.<br />

DR. MURRAY: Pat, did you want to add anyth<strong>in</strong>g?<br />

MS. BARR: I th<strong>in</strong>k I really tried to address<br />

it. I th<strong>in</strong>k it is problematic but I believe that this is a<br />

resource -- that our standards about ethics change over

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