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<strong>in</strong> this -- for this particular exercise were very useful.<br />

DR. MURRAY: Thanks.<br />

Carol and then David?<br />

DR. GREIDER: I just wanted to reiterate what<br />

Zeke said and I felt listen<strong>in</strong>g to your presentation that <strong>in</strong><br />

the broad brush strokes that where you were com<strong>in</strong>g from was<br />

very similar -- like I said -- <strong>in</strong> the broad areas of where<br />

the subcommittee at least was go<strong>in</strong>g. Some of the details<br />

may be different but I th<strong>in</strong>k that <strong>in</strong> general we are on the<br />

same page.<br />

One th<strong>in</strong>g that you po<strong>in</strong>ted out was different is<br />

that you were suggest<strong>in</strong>g an IRB for tissue resource and the<br />

question then becomes what is a tissue resource. Ms. Elisa<br />

Eisman put together for us a very nice summary of all of<br />

the different k<strong>in</strong>ds of tissues that are collected and it is<br />

not clear that you can def<strong>in</strong>e -- some you can def<strong>in</strong>e -- as<br />

a tissue resource and it is there to be a tissue resource<br />

and some of the NCI resources but others are just a<br />

researcher that decides that they want to get together with<br />

a surgeon and do a study.<br />

So how can you have an IRB when you do not<br />

necessarily have a def<strong>in</strong>ed group?<br />

MS. BARR: I th<strong>in</strong>k that by carefully<br />

del<strong>in</strong>eat<strong>in</strong>g the pr<strong>in</strong>ciples and I th<strong>in</strong>k our's are pretty

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