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We are work<strong>in</strong>g on solutions or we have handed<br />

this over to other people to work on solutions. We wanted<br />

to summarize and stop do<strong>in</strong>g this. Let me say by way of<br />

background that before I began do<strong>in</strong>g this work I certa<strong>in</strong>ly<br />

was an advocate, I am an attorney, I did not particularly<br />

do ethics work, and I came to this with a k<strong>in</strong>d of naivete<br />

and impatience because of my status that have proven to be<br />

very useful because people who are naive and people who are<br />

impatient tell other people, "Well, we can get this done,"<br />

and they keep push<strong>in</strong>g and it gets done, and the group that<br />

worked on this was very multifaceted.<br />

There were pathologists. There were ethicists.<br />

There were other consumers. There were population studies<br />

people, public health people. There were surgeons. So<br />

there was a wide variety of mix. There were academicians<br />

and there were cl<strong>in</strong>ical practitioners <strong>in</strong> this group that<br />

worked on all these.<br />

So where are we? We handed our model documents<br />

to PRIMER or PRIMAR and they have put them together very<br />

beautifully with a summary of the jo<strong>in</strong>t meet<strong>in</strong>g we had with<br />

their concerns and have distributed them at their plenary<br />

session at an annual meet<strong>in</strong>g just last month with feedback<br />

<strong>in</strong>formation.<br />

Now some of that concerns me. When we took

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