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says? What it says is you cannot use it unless the IRB<br />

says you can use it?<br />

DR. OLD: I th<strong>in</strong>k -- yes, I th<strong>in</strong>k we are<br />

gett<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong>to some semantics here. I th<strong>in</strong>k that you cannot<br />

use it anonymized --<br />

MR. CAPRON: I do not th<strong>in</strong>k this is semantics.<br />

(Simultaneous discussion.)<br />

DR. OLD: You cannot -- it is not covered under<br />

us<strong>in</strong>g it anonymized. It is not covered under this part<br />

that says that shar<strong>in</strong>g can be done if it is anonymized. If<br />

it is not related to the orig<strong>in</strong>al <strong>in</strong>formed consent you<br />

cannot use it anonymized. You need to do these other<br />

th<strong>in</strong>gs that it talks about.<br />

MR. CAPRON: What other th<strong>in</strong>gs does it talk<br />

about?<br />

DR. OLD: Go to the IRB.<br />

DR. MURRAY: I th<strong>in</strong>k I detect a level of<br />

fatigue sett<strong>in</strong>g <strong>in</strong> and we really do need to take a break.<br />

I want to thank Dr. Susan Old very much for com<strong>in</strong>g.<br />

DR. OLD: Thank you very much.<br />

DR. MURRAY: Can you stay for a while, Dr. Old?<br />

DR. OLD: Sure.<br />

DR. MURRAY: Thank you.<br />

We will reconvene <strong>in</strong> -- I have about 21 after.

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