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REVUE DE PRESSE-PRESS REVIEW-BERHEVOKA ÇAPÊ-RIVISTA STAMPA-DENTRO DE LA PRENSA-BASIN ÖZETÎ<br />

scene. l'need to saythis openly. Wêhave<br />

failed to take any steps toward <strong>de</strong>m~tization,<br />

the human rights record and<br />

enlarging the field of freedom. We even<br />

havestepped backwards. We sawall<br />

these easily from prison as weIL The<br />

erup~io~s of racism, th~ ~ncre,ase.~f<br />

nationaliSm, naturaUy;create$, a negaUye<br />

scene.<br />

TON- You have been sentenced to a<br />

prison term of 20 months due to part of<br />

one paragraph. You have served tlie term'<br />

and been released. You had said that the<br />

i<strong>de</strong>as that were mentioned in "The<br />

Collapse of Paradigma" have been conflfffied.<br />

Is this really true?<br />

BA~KA YA- We had a talk with you<br />

before I entered jail. And I told you that if<br />

I were sentenced that would mean that the<br />

state says, "Yes, what you have said was<br />

true." Smce time has passed, it is possible<br />

to claim this in a more open manner. It is<br />

obvious that the paradigma has collapsed<br />

and that this was proven several times.<br />

Buf I need to explain that one paragraph.<br />

A part of the book was about Kurds. The<br />

whole of the book was a criticism of the<br />

official view. I don't think that it is only<br />

related to the book. I was a writ~r of<br />

Özgür Gün<strong>de</strong>m and a foun<strong>de</strong>r of Özgür<br />

Umversity. These things are very i'!1por-<br />

.tant in a country like Turkey, which IS not<br />

a judiciary state nor even a a state of law.<br />

It is neither a judiciary state nor a state of<br />

law, because they even fail to implement<br />

their own legislation.<br />

TON- Then, the state should apologize<br />

to you. You say that your claims have<br />

beèn confIrined.<br />

BA~K~ yA- I insist that my claims<br />

havebeen confirmed. However, such a<br />

thing will not take place in such a system.<br />

I do.n't even expect an apology.<br />

Thus, if those sections of soci<strong>et</strong>y which<br />

need <strong>de</strong>mocracy more than ever do not<br />

push hard for it, the scope of freedom will<br />

never be wi<strong>de</strong>ned. That is why I believe it<br />

is wron~ to assume that there is a direct<br />

correlatIon b<strong>et</strong>ween the legal process and<br />

<strong>de</strong>mocratization. Because, what Ïs also<br />

important is the way in which laws, regulatIOns<br />

are issued. The powers behmd<br />

t.hose laws o.r eills are alsoJmportant.<br />

When we consi<strong>de</strong>r the present Parliament,<br />

the government, we should not be expecting<br />

much from them. The mission of the<br />

members of these formations is to block<br />

the way forward.<br />

. We have to put terms, concepts where<br />

they belong. Democracy? If we look at<br />

this process in this country, we can easily<br />

.see that no step has been taken for 70<br />

years, because there is no tradition of<br />

stru~gling for <strong>de</strong>mocracy in Turkey. The<br />

sectIons of soci<strong>et</strong>y which are really in<br />

need of <strong>de</strong>mocracy do not push hard for<br />

it. When this is the case the authorities -<br />

those in power - always won the argument<br />

ml gave nothing where <strong>de</strong>mocratization<br />

is concerned. Even when they gave<br />

some rights they took them back. For<br />

~ample they drew up a constitution and<br />

then they n.arrowed it down on the<br />

groun4s that It was too much for soci<strong>et</strong>y.<br />

!he,nm the following years they abol-<br />

Ished it as a whole.<br />

If those who earn their living by their<br />

labor.d0 n?t a.t:gue.strong~y and ask for<br />

what IS therrs, It Will be difficult for this<br />

country to attain ,<strong>de</strong>mocratization.<br />

TON- What happened to your application<br />

to the European Human RIghts<br />

Commission?<br />

BA~KA y A- I did apply and the<br />

process continues. I tliink around<br />

November, they'll consi<strong>de</strong>r wh<strong>et</strong>her to<br />

accept my file or not. The Commission<br />

has asked for à Turkish government statement<br />

on the matter.<br />

TDN~ Only a couple 'of dayshave<br />

passed since your release from jail .. How<br />

do you feel being at home? .<br />

BASKAYA- To be honest with you, I'<br />

feellike I have never been in jail. I feel<br />

like I never left my house. I know it is<br />

hard to believe this but.this is how I feel.<br />

As if my wife, Sevinç, did not come to .<br />

visit me 63 times.<br />

'.<br />

. We ~skèd Sevinçßa~kaya, wifeof<br />

Fikr<strong>et</strong> B~kaya, our last questJ.on..<br />

TDN- Row did you survive this experi-,<br />

ence. How did it affect you? .'<br />

. S. BA~KA yA- It .~as very ilifficult at<br />

fust. I felt so sad. Smce we were colleagues<br />

too, we used.to go everywhere<br />

tog<strong>et</strong>her. We spent a great <strong>de</strong>al of our<br />

time tog<strong>et</strong>her.We did not experience<br />

financial difficulties, but physiologically<br />

it was very difficult. I am proud of my<br />

husband. I always felt so. Of course we<br />

were affected very much by the inci<strong>de</strong>nt,.~<br />

however, we are so happy at the moment.'<br />

TON-.! would like to thank you both<br />

y~ry m~ch. I hope you will not be put in<br />

Jad agam.<br />

S-P: BASKAYA-We<br />

thimk you.'<br />

,-------------------------------- --<br />

LE BIEN<br />

PUBLIC<br />

LES DEPECHES<br />

DIMANCHE<br />

18 juin 1995<br />

Droits <strong>de</strong>l/homme?<br />

Ce s0r:tt <strong>de</strong>s pays proches <strong>de</strong><br />

nous, où beaucoup se sont rendus ou<br />

vont se rendre en voyage. Ces touristes<br />

ne verront sans doute pas ce<br />

dont <strong>de</strong>ux livres portent témoignages.<br />

Deux p<strong>et</strong>its livres terribles - terriblement<br />

accusateurs.<br />

"La prison n05" par Mehdl Zena<br />

(129p, 85F, ArI6a).- Qu'il ne fasse<br />

pas bon être kur<strong>de</strong> sous le régime<br />

turc, nul n'en doute, Mais, alors que<br />

les médias occi<strong>de</strong>ntaux se sont très<br />

vite désintéressés <strong>de</strong> l'opération ~e<br />

.police" menée par l'armée turque<br />

dans le sud-est du pays, le témoignage<br />

<strong>de</strong> Mehdi Zana nous donne<br />

toute l'ampleur, toute l'horreur <strong>de</strong> la<br />

répression dont les Kur<strong>de</strong>~ font les<br />

frais. Lea<strong>de</strong>r du mouVl"fi'lent démocratique,<br />

élu maire <strong>de</strong> la principale<br />

ville kur<strong>de</strong> <strong>de</strong> Turquie, [?iyarbakir<br />

(plus d'un million <strong>et</strong> <strong>de</strong>mi d'habitants)<br />

il a fait comme une multitu<strong>de</strong> <strong>de</strong> militants<br />

kur<strong>de</strong>s l'obj<strong>et</strong> <strong>de</strong> détentions, <strong>de</strong><br />

tortures, d'humiliations dont le récit<br />

froid, objectif, mesuré qu'il en donne<br />

souligne "abjecte férocité.<br />

Aujourdhui, alors que la Turquie.<br />

membre <strong>de</strong> l'OTAN, frappe à la porte<br />

<strong>de</strong> la CEE, <strong>de</strong>s avocats sont jugés par<br />

le tribunal <strong>de</strong>vant lequel ils sont e";<br />

train <strong>de</strong> défendre un accusé. On ai;<br />

merait croire que le sadisme férocequi<br />

s'exerçait à l'encontre <strong>de</strong>s déte~<br />

nus comme Zanajusqu'à sa Iibératiori<br />

(en 1991) n'est plus en vigueur ...<br />

"Ces terribles enfants <strong>de</strong> Rus.<br />

sie" (128p, 68F, Grlot).- Laissés pout,<br />

compte du grand chambar<strong>de</strong>ment<br />

russe, les enfants affrontent une situation<br />

terrible <strong>de</strong> misère, d'abandon,<br />

<strong>de</strong> dénuement, <strong>de</strong> désespérance absolue.<br />

Soumis à toutes les violences,<br />

à toutes les dé,viances, j<strong>et</strong>és sur le<br />

trottoir. délinquants pour survivre, ou<br />

tout simplement perdus dans un.<br />

mon<strong>de</strong> qui les ignore pour mieux faire<br />

son .bizness", ils se confient, ils écrivent<br />

aux journaux. Les confessions<br />

<strong>de</strong> ces enfants d'un siècle pourri ont<br />

<strong>de</strong> quoi nous faire frémir, qui maternons<br />

nos propres rej<strong>et</strong>ons dans<br />

l'édredon du .cocooning" .....<br />

J.PH. ME;STRE<br />

165

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