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APPENDIX A. TALK.ABORTION: AUGUST 9, 1994 138 >No. But you are forgetting something. Abortion is legal in most states >throughout the entire 9 months of pregnancy. Pro-choicers have never >addressed the issue of when a person becomes a human being. If it is not >at conception, when is it? Why? To illustrate the point, I offer the >following hypothetical situation: > >Two women become pregnant on the same day. Let us a assume a standard >9-month pregnancy. The first woman delivers her child 2 months early >(after only 7 months). The child survives. The second woman aborts >her baby the day after the first woman delivered her child. If the >first woman kills her baby, she will be charged with murder. The >second woman walks away. > >How can you justify this from a medical standpoint? What is the difference >between the first and second baby? Place of residence? I admit that >3rd trimester abortions are rare, but they are legal. In most states, >abortion is legal up to the moment of birth. How can this be justified >medically? No one on your side of the issue has addressed these perfectly >legitimate medical questions. They just say that the unborn child is >not human, offer nothing to prove it, and then go on to talk about >reproductive choice and mysogyny. This may wash with some people, but >I never bought it. These issues have never been fully explored. If, >it can be proven that unborn children are human, we have not choice but >to make abortion illegal. We simply cannot tell people that it is OK >to kill children. > You bring up an interesting point. However, 3rd trimester abortions are heavily regulated in most if not all states and require hospitalization and must pose a legitimate health risk to the woman (RvW allows the states to decide what a legitiamte health risk is and who determines it). Within these parameters, the state has an interest in protecting the welfare of its citizens (child and mother). Since the child is not posing a risk to the mother’s health, and since society has decided to extend certian protections to its citizens, the state may act against the first mother. In the case of the second mother, the state must again act to protect the welfare of its citizen (the mother). If you ignore the fact that there are restrictions and limitations on late abortions (actually on all abortion procedures), it is still possible to note fundamental physiological differences between a fetus in utero and the newborn, even a premature newborn. I feel that a medical procedure can be justified if the risks associated with the procedure outweight the risks associated with condition the procedure may treat. Once you determine if a procedure is justifiable, it is up to the health provider and the patient to determine if the procedure is ethical, and that is something that cannot be determined scientifically, but rather is based on such abstractions as faith, moral belief and the ever-changing approval of society. --- --Bruce ----------------------------------------------------- Bruce M. Cameron bmc@mayo.edu
APPENDIX A. TALK.ABORTION: AUGUST 9, 1994 139 Mayo Foundation office: (507) 284-3288 200 1st St SW fax: (507) 284-1428 Rochester, MN 55905 ARS WD9CKW Article 20 Reference 161375 From jrmo@prpix2.pr.att.com Date Tue, Aug 2, 1994 4:43 PM Henry Tudor writes: > Which side of the abortion debate has a monopoly on the > shooting of unarmed doctors? Which side has a known > penchant for firebombs and chaining themselves to > clinic doors? Which side selectively "targets" vairous > cities for demonstrations and blockades that cost > millions in taxpayer money to police and control? Which side runs clinics that promote and perfom medical procedures that first destroy fetuses, then removes them from women? Which side demands funding for these practices in effect forcing their opinions on everyone else? Which side fights th PA law that requires these clinics to provide information on alternatives to abortion and full disclosure of the procedure and the risks involved? Which side supports mandatory abortion funding for all participants in the new Health Care Reform Act, forcing private hospitals to provide abortions? Certainly not the pro-CHOICE side, the pendulum has swung, now the pro-abortion side has given up it’s value of choice, making the issue an entitlement that must be paid for by those whose values may not agree. Funny how the Catholic Church in Philadelphia announced that it’s position on Health Care is that it supports universal coverage but opposes mandatory abortion coverage. Just who is pro-CHOICE these days? Joe Moore Article 21 Reference 161407 From waynet@indirect.com Date Tue, Aug 2, 1994 5:29 PM HUCK ROBERT O (rohuck@rs6000.cmp.ilstu.edu) wrote: : Henry Tudor (tudor@onramp.net) wrote: : : > : : > The recent murders were the work of a militant fringe, who do not at : : > all represent the majority of abortion opponents. What they did was : : despicable : : > and undermines their claim to be "pro-life," and I personally would rather : : > have a woman get an abortion than have her or her doctor killed. You can’t : : > generalize from these isolated instances to the entire pro-life movement. : : --
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