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APPENDIX A. TALK.ABORTION: AUGUST 9, 1994 132 : : that makes sense. it wouldn’t work anyway. : : Once again, you conveniently deleted what came next. For those who did : not read my previous article, I went on to say that any woman I know (even : those who are pro-choice) know that I am not a sexist. Fortunately, : my friends are open-minded. Mr. Keegan obviously is not. He seems to : have a litmus test to determine a person’s level of mysogyny. what level of misogyny do you assign someone who wishes to control women? : Sexism is never that simple. i imagine you’ve developed some good excuses for yours. -- "A woman’s rights to her body should stop where the fetus’s body begins." Ray Fischer Article 14 Reference 161849 From ronkanen@cc.Helsinki.FI Date Tue, Aug 2, 1994 1:01 PM Follow-ups to talk.abortion In article , ZZYZX wrote: >In article keegan@helios.acm.rpi.edu >(james g. keegan jr.) writes: >>Gary Frazier wrote: >(snip) >>: The fact that some "prolifers" are willing to kill to >>: impose their beliefs on others indicates that "life" is not what this is >>: really about. The agenda is about the control of the greatest pleasure >>: humans can know...sex. > >>.....or maybe just control. > > > >Or maybe, and I realize that this is just a stretch, maybe the pro-life >movement really believes abortion is murder. Personally I am >pro-choice. However I know a lot of intelligent pro-lifers, many >of whom are not religious, have sex, and don’t have a hidden agenda of >controlling all women. They just happen to believe that abortion is >muder. Do they want to punish women who have abortions just like murderers? If not, then they are just playing with words. > >I don’t understand this need to demonize your opposition (and here I’m >speaking to both sides of the abortion debate). Believe it or not,
APPENDIX A. TALK.ABORTION: AUGUST 9, 1994 133 >different people can come to different opinions about an issue without >one side being evil or mislead. Sure they can, the evil starts only when one side starts to force their views on the other side. > Not all pro-lifers are book burning >anti-sex Inquisitioners. Not all pro-choicers are amoral baby >killers. The sooner both sides realise this, the sooner we can see if >there is any sort of compromise on this issue to be found. And just how should women’s rights be compromised away? > >-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu) "Time for Timer" >********************************************************************** >*"It made most people nervous *"I can’t believe I’m a junior and a * >* They just didn’t want to know * film major, when all I really * >* What I was seeing * wanted in this life was to marry a * >* In the refuge of the roads." * lobsterman and cook fish." * >*-Joni Mitchell * -a letter from Christie Searing * >********************************************************************** Osmo Article 15 Reference 161459 From Date Tue, Aug 2, 1994 1:17 PM On 02-Aug-94 in Re: Pro-life Gunman kills t.. user ZZYZX@nmsu.edu writes: >I don’t understand this need to demonize your opposition (and here I’m >speaking to both sides of the abortion debate). Believe it or not, >different people can come to different opinions about an issue without >one side being evil or mislead. Not all pro-lifers are book burning >anti-sex Inquisitioners. Not all pro-choicers are amoral baby >killers. The sooner both sides realise this, the sooner we can see if >there is any sort of compromise on this issue to be found. I would suggest to Mr. ZZYZX to actually go out and bother to read what pro-lifers write, to listen to what pro-lifers say to each other in pro-life meetings, and to hear some pro-life speaches. Then, he may have standing to talk about what the pro-lifers are up to. Taking the words of a small sample of pro-lifers putting the best side of their argument forward in informal convesation, as Mr. ZZYZX has, is not a sound sociological method. If you follow my suggestions about the pro-life movement, you will find that pro-choicers do not enough begin to explain how much the pro-life movement is based on being "anti-sex Inquisitiors". Faux-liberal pro-choicers who believe that "any sort of compromise" is possible with the pro-lifers are simply deluded. One may as well attempt compromise with the Iranian government on the subject of women’s
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APPENDIX A. TALK.ABORTION: AUGUST 9, 1994 133<br />
>different people can come to different opinions about an issue without<br />
>one side being evil or mislead.<br />
Sure <strong>the</strong>y can, <strong>the</strong> evil starts only when one side starts to force <strong>the</strong>ir<br />
views on <strong>the</strong> o<strong>the</strong>r side.<br />
> Not all pro-lifers are book burning<br />
>anti-sex Inquisitioners. Not all pro-choicers are amoral baby<br />
>killers. The sooner both sides realise this, <strong>the</strong> sooner we can see if<br />
><strong>the</strong>re is any sort of compromise on this issue to be found.<br />
And just how should women’s rights be compromised away?<br />
><br />
>-David "ZZYZX" Steinberg (dsteinbe@emmy.nmsu.edu) "Time for Timer"<br />
>**********************************************************************<br />
>*"It made most people nervous *"I can’t believe I’m a junior and a *<br />
>* They just didn’t want to know * film major, when all I really *<br />
>* What I was seeing * wanted in this life was to marry a *<br />
>* In <strong>the</strong> refuge of <strong>the</strong> roads." * lobsterman and cook fish." *<br />
>*-Joni Mitchell * -a letter from Christie Searing *<br />
>**********************************************************************<br />
Osmo<br />
Article 15<br />
Reference 161459<br />
From <br />
Date Tue, Aug 2, 1994 1:17 PM<br />
On 02-Aug-94 in Re: Pro-life Gunman kills t..<br />
user ZZYZX@nmsu.edu writes:<br />
>I don’t understand this need to demonize your opposition (and here I’m<br />
>speaking to both sides of <strong>the</strong> abortion debate). Believe it or not,<br />
>different people can come to different opinions about an issue without<br />
>one side being evil or mislead. Not all pro-lifers are book burning<br />
>anti-sex Inquisitioners. Not all pro-choicers are amoral baby<br />
>killers. The sooner both sides realise this, <strong>the</strong> sooner we can see if<br />
><strong>the</strong>re is any sort of compromise on this issue to be found.<br />
I would suggest to Mr. ZZYZX to actually go out and bo<strong>the</strong>r to read<br />
what pro-lifers write, to listen to what pro-lifers say to each o<strong>the</strong>r in<br />
pro-life meetings, and to hear some pro-life speaches. Then, he may<br />
have standing to talk about what <strong>the</strong> pro-lifers are up to. Taking <strong>the</strong><br />
words of a small sample of pro-lifers putting <strong>the</strong> best side of <strong>the</strong>ir<br />
argument forward in informal convesation, as Mr. ZZYZX has, is not a<br />
sound sociological method.<br />
If you follow my suggestions about <strong>the</strong> pro-life movement, you will<br />
find that pro-choicers do not enough begin to explain how much <strong>the</strong><br />
pro-life movement is based on being "anti-sex Inquisitiors".<br />
Faux-liberal pro-choicers who believe that "any sort of compromise"<br />
is possible with <strong>the</strong> pro-lifers are simply deluded. One may as well<br />
attempt compromise with <strong>the</strong> Iranian government on <strong>the</strong> subject of women’s