In System Programming (ISP) for ATMEL chips

In System Programmer (ISP) for ATMEL micro controllers 

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In System Programming (ISP) for ATMEL chips 

A step by step construction guide 

By Ibrahim Kamal (ika@ikalogic.com) 

Last update: 12/2/08 

Supported devices: 

AT89S51, AT89S52, AT89S53, AT89S8253, AT89S2051, AT89S4051, AVR family 

(Tested on the AT89S52 and ATMEGA16L) 

Prgrammer software: 

A free programmer software can be downloaded at the end of this page 

Overview 

If you didn't guess it from the title, ISP 

is a way to serially program your micro 

controller, while it resides in its place, in 

other words, without removing the chip 

from your board. 

Whether you're just starting in the ATMEL micro 

controllers, or you're familiar with it, ISP (In 

System Programming) will provide you a simple 

and affordable home made solution to program 

and debug your micro controller based project. 

Sometimes, ISP can become very useful, when 

adjusting some delays, frequencies or any other 

values that you would intend to find by trial and 

error.. a process that would otherwise take too 

much time. 

How does ISP works? 

Normally, the flash memory of an ATMEL micro controller is Pins used for ISP 

programmed using a parallel interface, which consists of sending MOSI: data input 

the data byte by byte (using 8 independent lines for the data, 

MISO: data output 

and another bunch of lines for the address, the control word and 

SCK: clock input 

clock input). On the other hand ISP is performed using only 4 

lines, and literally, data is transferred through 2 lines only, RESET: used to activate 

as in a I2C interface, where data is shifted in bit by bit though the serial Programming 

MOSI line, with a clock cycle between each bit and the next (on the SCK line). 

MISO line is used for reading and for code verification, it is only used to output the code from 

the FLASH memory of the micro controller. 

The RST pin, which is normally used to reset the device, is also used to enable the 3 pins 

(MOSI, MISO and SCK) to be used for ISP simply by setting RST to HIGH (5V), otherwise if 

RST is low (0V), your program start running and those three pins, are used normally as P1.5, 

P1.6 and P1.7. 

Here is ISP Programming sequence as described in ATMEL 

datasheets:



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"The Code memory array can be programmed using the serial ISP 

interface while RST is pulled to VCC. The serial interface consists 

of pins SCK, MOSI (input) and MISO (output). After RST is set 

high, the Programming Enable instruction needs to be executed 

first before other operations can be executed. Before a 

reprogramming sequence can occur, a Chip Erase operation is 

required. 

The Chip Erase operation turns the content of every memory 

location in the Code array into FFH. 

Either an external system clock can be supplied at pin XTAL1 or a 

crystal needs to be connected across pins XTAL1 and XTAL2. The 

maximum serial clock (SCK) frequency should be less than 

1/16 of the crystal frequency. With a 33 MHz oscillator clock, the 

maximum SCK frequency is 2 MHz. " 

Pins used for ISP 

This is as deep as i got in the ISP process, as i am using a ready made software that will handle 

the transfer protocol. some more detailed information about the ISP functioning can be found at 

www.8052.com and at www.avrfreaks.net. but this is all you need to know to build and 

use this extra simple programming device. Now that you know some theory about the ISP, 

you should be ready to build the hardware interface. As you will soon discover, it maybe the 

simplest circuit that will find in this web site! 

The Circuit: 

AVR In-System Programmer 

Four-port in-system programmer for Atmel 

AVR Microcontrollers 

ezTools USB to I2C 

Let you to do I2C debugging in Easy Way



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This circuit is a modification from an original deign of Jerry Meng, and it is compatible with the 

software/cable proposed at www.aec-electronics.co.nz 

Important note: 

The schematic above indicates a 74LS08 IC, and I did build the programmer with a 74LS08 IC. 

However, using a 74HC08, or even better a 74HCT08 IC would be much safer, will give you a 

better performance and allow you to use a longer cable. 

The circuit almost talks for itself, the only part that may need some explanation, is the 4 AND 

gates. Connecting both 2 inputs of the AND gates as shown makes it act like a buffer, to 

protect the parallel port. (Shortly, a buffer is a device that will isolate 2 circuits) 

Then, the pins P1,P2,P3,P4 have to be connected respectively to P1.5, P1.6, P1.7 and RST in 

the micro controller. 

Finally, J1 is the connection to the computer parallel port. 

The PCB and the housing : 

I used an old parallel printer cable, and the whole circuit is mounted inside the the connector 

plastic box. 

A glance at this pictures may be enough to understand how the PCB 

is mounted and welded to the parallel port connector. To achieve this, 

some precision have to be taken in account when producing the PCB.



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cause some damage the the buffer circuit. 

Note than PINs 14 to 25 of the parallel port are on the Components 

side of the board, and thus cannot be welded.. but luckily, from all 

those pins we only need the Ground (0V) (pins 18 to 25), which were 

all connected to the board, simply through a single jumper wire. (you 

can notice it, it's the orange wire in the shown picture at the left) 

Below is another overall view of the device before being 

encasulated. Also notice in the Micro controller end of the cable, which 

is simple the female connector of standard pin header. I wont give 

more details about this part, i'll leave it to your imaginations! The 

important thing is to solder the cable to a secure connector instead of 

leaving the wires free to touch each others, which could 

here is a shot of the device 

in action. the picture may 

not be as clear as in reality, 

but i found the High 

Brightness LED to be cooler 

than what i've imagined..



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Here is a shot of some 

other ISP programmers I 

made for some of my 

friends. 

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Connecting the programmer to the Micro Controller 

Many visitors were confused on how to connect this programmer to the micro controller. Well, in 

general, ISP is made to program the Micro controller while it resides in its place, so all the 

standard connection for the micro controller to run properly are to be made. 

As Mr Sarma - a regular visitor, reviewer and a friend - suggested, here are some examples 

showing how to connect the programmer to different types of micro controllers: 

1- Connecting the programmer to an AT89S52



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1- Connecting the programmer to an ATMEGA16L 

Note that with the ATMEGA AVR family, You don't need to add a crystal resonator, as those 

chips contains an internal resonator, making it ready to use simply by connecting the 5V and 

GND supply rails.



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The programmer software 

This is the piece of software that will take the HEX file generated by whatever compiler you are 

using, and send it - with respect to the very specific ISP transfer protocol - to the micro 

controller. 

The software I am proposing was designed to be compatible with a multitude of ISP 

programming cables. in most of cases, all the difference is the pins used on the parallel port to 

perform the data transfer. 

The only thing you need to 

do is to go through 'Setup', 

and chose the 'AEC ISP' 

cable pinout. once chosen, 

you will notice that it 

matches the circuit on this 

page. 

If you have more than one 

parallel port (never seen 

this a lot..) chose the one 

to which the programmer 

is connected. 

The link to download the 

software is at the end of



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this article. 

Setting up the software to be used with the programmer hardware 

If it doesn't work...: 

Now if your programmer doesn't work, don't panic and check the following: 

1- Make sure the cable is no longer than 50 cm (though i made it work with a 1meter cable..) 

long cables tend to increase noise interference especially with TTL devices. 

2- Try more than one device, I had two 

AT89S52 which which had their ISP port 

damaged somehow, as they could be 

programmed through the parallel programmer 

and functioned correctly, but wouldn't let me 

to program them through ISP 

3- If you can read a hex file, which was 

written by any other programmer , but you 

CANNOT Write another HEX file using the ISP 

programmer, this is - without a doubt - 

caused by a damaged chip. 

4- Contact me, if the solutions above didn't 

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Let me and the visitors hear from you, share your questions and knowledge and propose 

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Posted by: 

amol 

my isp working very good ,,,,,i use it for my project.....i m 4m india...........in pune thanks.....



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on: 07 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

ikalogic 

on: 07 Apr 2007 

It's nice to hear that amol! keep the good work!thx for your comment. 

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Posted by: 

jun_China 

on: 08 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

ikalogic 

on: 08 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

Chris Keays 

on: 11 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

chris Keays 

on: 11 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

ikalogic 

on: 11 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

Jawad Lateef 

on: 11 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

ikalogic 

on: 11 Apr 2007 

I would like to try again,because i have tried several times,but failure,i hope I will be 

successful.thank you! 


[Quoting: jun_China] I would like to try again,because i have tried several times,but 

failure,i hope I will be successful.thank you! 

well yes, try again, and again.. beleive me, it's worth the hard work! may it not work this 

time, leave a message here with your observations, and i'll help you to get it working. 


Do yourself a favor and get the real software on the atmel site.This program works sometimes 

and sometimes it is very troublesome!This code is just another type like asim Khan's program. 

It should not matter how long the cable is as long as it is shielded (no longer than 3 ft, mind 

you)Using the parallel port like this is very troublesome. Because all PC's are different, and all 

parallel ports are different, it can work perfectly for one person and NEVER work for the next 

guy.I could read the signature bytes every single time, but never program the device. I have 

more than one 89S51 and they are NOT damaged! It is the poorly written software. Good Luck 


[Quoting: Chris Keays] Do yourself a favor and get the real software on the atmel site.This 

program works sometimes and sometimes it is very troublesome!This code is just another 

type like asim Khan's program. It should not matter how long the cable is as long as it is 

shielded (no longer than 3 ft, mind you)Using the parallel port like this is very troublesome. 

Because all PC's are different, and all parallel ports are different, it can work perfectly for 

one person and NEVER work for the next guy.I could read the signature bytes every single 

time, but never program the device. I have more than one 89S51 and they are NOT 

damaged! It is the poorly written software. Good Luck 

I forgot to add, with my current setup (nothing changed) I used the ISP software I 

downloaded on the atmel site and it worked perfectly, same cable, same programmer, same 

PC! So what does that tell you?? 

Well, that tells me i've got to try ATMEL's software... 


[Quoting: chris Keays] I forgot to add, with my current setup (nothing changed) I used the 

ISP software I downloaded on the atmel site and it worked perfectly, same cable, same 

programmer, same PC! So what does that tell you?? 

Plzz tell me can i download program with this programmer and cable in 89C51. 



[Quoting: Jawad Lateef] Plzz tell me can i download program with this programmer and 

cable in 89C51. 

No, this programmer is only compatible with ISP powered devices like the 89SXX. Note that 

you'r program will work on a 89S51 exactly as it will work on a 89C51. 


Posted by: 

vinoth kumar 

on: 13 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

waterloo 

on: 14 Apr 2007 

very nice 

I think it is good. 



Posted by: 

jun_China 

on: 14 Apr 2007 

[Quoting: ikalogic] 

[Quoting: jun_China] I would like to try again,because i have tried several times,but 

failure,i hope I will be successful.thank you!



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well yes, try again, and again.. beleive me, it's worth the hard work! may it not work this 

time, leave a message here with your observations, and i'll help you to get it working. 

Thanks very much,I operated the circuit by your circuit diagram,then connected it to PC,and 

programed with a light flash program,I found the S51 was programed correctly,and worked 

well.my english is poor,^_^Thanks again. 


Posted by: 

Charin.E 

on: 17 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 17 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

igno 

on: 18 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 18 Apr 2007 

Posted by: 

kalpesh patel 

on: 11 May 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 11 May 2007 

Sawasdee Krub,I am a newer in MCU and ISP field from Thailand. I am applying your ISPprogramming 

software and schematic. But still can not write the code on 'AT89S8253(TQFP)'. 

I have simple questions as following.1.When pluged the Parellel Port to a computer and 5Vadaptor 

not yet supply, the indicator LED is lighted. Is it right?2.Can I supply voltage 'Vcc-5V' 

directly to the Reset pin-4 without a seriated Cap-1uF(Because of the Internal Power-On Reset 

feature).3.My X’tal is 20MHz,Does this ISP Programmer control SCK-signal frequency properly 

according to the MAX-1/16-Crystal Frequency and there is dynamic baud-rate depending X’tal- 

Frequency come along with this?4.I press 'Restart' button and next 'Read Signature', when 

starting programming the MCU, for recognition,Is it right?(Would you please give me the brief 

procedure of manual?)5.The ISP programmer reported 'NOT KNOWN(FF,FF,FF)' when finished 

pressing 'Read Signature' Button ,and when change the new one of MCU and recheck wiring of 

the schematic, this problem is persisted.Thank you for your sharing and I will do this when I 

know these enough. It is the good thing.Sorry for not skill in English.Charin.E 

Yes this is abolutely normal, same thing happends to me... 


[Quoting: Charin.E] 1.When pluged the Parellel Port to a computer and 5V-adaptor not yet 

supply, the indicator LED is lighted. Is it right?2 

[Quoting: Charin.E]Can I supply voltage 'Vcc-5V' directly to the Reset pin-4 without a 

seriated Cap-1uF(Because of the Internal Power-On Reset feature). 

It's better to keep the Capacitor connected, specially with long cables. (i tried to remove the 

cap, and some of the programmers didn't work. 

[Quoting: Charin.E]3.My X’tal is 20MHz,Does this ISP Programmer control SCK-signal 

frequency properly according to the MAX-1/16-Crystal Frequency and there is dynamic 

baud-rate depending X’tal-Frequency come along with this? 

I usually puc the frequency to MAXIMUM and let the software hande it. but when working with 

long cables, lowering down the frequency can make it safer... 

[Quoting: Charin.E]4.I press 'Restart' button and next 'Read Signature', when starting 

programming the MCU, for recognition,Is it right?(Would you please give me the brief 

procedure of manual?)5.The ISP programmer reported 'NOT KNOWN(FF,FF,FF)' when 

finished pressing 'Read Signature' Button ,and when change the new one of MCU and 

recheck wiring of the schematic, this problem is persisted.Thank you for your sharing and I 

will do this when I know these enough. It is the good thing. 

Well, here again, what i usually do it to hit the "Erase and program all" button. that's all. 

[Quoting: Charin.E]Sorry for not skill in English.Charin.E 

Let us know how it went... good luck 

[Quoting: Ibrahim Kamal] 

Yes this is abolutely normal, same thing happends to me... 

How come you get your led bright without power? 


[Quoting: Charin.E] 1.When pluged the Parellel Port to a computer and 5V-adaptor not 

yet supply, the indicator LED is lighted. Is it right?2 

[Quoting: igno]How come you get your led bright without power? 


Because the parallel port of the computer can provide some power through it's I/O pins... 

some people even use that to power their circuits.. but i'ld say it's not good engineering... 


I am able to read hex file from 89s52 chip but can't erase or write the chip, even though i 

have tried it on three device but still i can't gate success. so, please help me. 


[Quoting: kalpesh patel] I am able to read hex file from 89s52 chip but can't erase or write 

the chip, even though i have tried it on three device but still i can't gate success. so, please



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help me. 

Try the following: 1-Put a 10uF capacitor between pin 9 of the uController and the 5V rail.2- 

Slow down the speed3-make sure PIN 31 (ea) of the uController is connected to 5VThis is 

mostly the type of problems I found with friends that couldn't get their ISP programmer 

working... hope this helps.. 


Posted by: 

Anonymous 

visitor 

on: 11 May 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 11 May 2007 

Posted by: 

kalpesh patel 

on: 11 May 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 11 May 2007 


[Quoting: kalpesh patel] I am able to read hex file from 89s52 chip but can't erase or 

write the chip, even though i have tried it on three device but still i can't gate success. so, 

please help me. 





I am using 10M Hz crystal. so, what amount of maximum speed i can use. 

[Quoting: ] 


I am using 10M Hz crystal. so, what amount of maximum speed i can use. 



write the chip, even though i have tried it on three device but still i can't gate success. 

so, please help me. 

Try the following: 1-Put a 10uF capacitor between pin 9 of the uController and the 5V 

rail.2-Slow down the speed3-make sure PIN 31 (ea) of the uController is connected to 

5VThis is mostly the type of problems I found with friends that couldn't get their ISP 

programmer working... hope this helps.. 

Well, i usually let the software handle this by chooseing "Maximum speed".. but you can get it 

by trial and error.. it depends on many things like cable length.. noize.. crystal (for sure)... 

etc. 




write the chip, even though i have tried it on three device but still i can't gate success. so, 

please help me. 





Actually pin 31(ea) is generally used to select the rom and ram. i think which may came into 

picture after programming of the device. so, why sould we connect pin31 to Vcc at the time of 

programming using isp. 

[Quoting: kalpesh patel] 




write the chip, even though i have tried it on three device but still i can't gate success. 

so, please help me. 





Actually pin 31(ea) is generally used to select the rom and ram. i think which may came 

into picture after programming of the device. so, why sould we connect pin31 to Vcc at the 

time of programming using isp. 

Let me correct this, Pin 31 (EA) Let the internal processor access external or internal memory. 

to use ISP, internal memory access must be enabled, in order to let the processor store the 

received serial data into the internal flash memory. 

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Posted by: 

kalpesh patel 

on: 14 May 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 14 May 2007 

Posted by: 

danny 

on: 22 May 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 23 May 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 24 May 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 24 May 2007 





write the chip, even though i have tried it on three device but still i can't gate 

success. so, please help me. 





Actually pin 31(ea) is generally used to select the rom and ram. i think which may came 

into picture after programming of the device. so, why sould we connect pin31 to Vcc at 

the time of programming using isp. 

Let me correct this, Pin 31 (EA) Let the internal processor access external or internal 

memory. to use ISP, internal memory access must be enabled, in order to let the processor 

store the received serial data into the internal flash memory. 

I have done all the things that you have suggested but still i can't get any positive result. 






[Quoting: kalpesh patel] I am able to read hex file from 89s52 chip but can't erase 

or write the chip, even though i have tried it on three device but still i can't gate 

success. so, please help me. 


rail.2-Slow down the speed3-make sure PIN 31 (ea) of the uController is connected 

to 5VThis is mostly the type of problems I found with friends that couldn't get their 

ISP programmer working... hope this helps.. 

Actually pin 31(ea) is generally used to select the rom and ram. i think which may 

came into picture after programming of the device. so, why sould we connect pin31 to 

Vcc at the time of programming using isp. 

Let me correct this, Pin 31 (EA) Let the internal processor access external or internal 

memory. to use ISP, internal memory access must be enabled, in order to let the 

processor store the received serial data into the internal flash memory. 

I have done all the things that you have suggested but still i can't get any positive result. 

The only couple of things that come through my head would be either a damaged or 

misconfigured parallel port.. did you try it on another pc? 


erase..okproblem:write error at adress 00000000 byte written:02 byte read: 00help me 

please 


[Quoting: danny] erase..okproblem:write error at adress 00000000 byte written:02 byte 

read: 00help me please 

Did you try all the tips i've posted in this forum?Did you try another chip?Is pin 31 of your 

atmel chip connected to Vcc?try all the tips in this forum, step by step, you should find what's 

wrong with your connections, and it should work. 


Rge kapilesh patels comments- i would like him to check whether he modified programming 

frequency at left of SETUP button, to a value less than 1/16th of the crystal frequency used by 

him.i assemble apiece oncemore y-day and it is working fine- taking a calculated risk i didn't 

even use the AND gates suugested by IKA-- i use 15MHz crystal and i set the prog frequency 

to 455 Hz or even 200Hz.i hope kapilesh will comeforward with his commentsSarma 


Sorry I spelled worngly It is Kalpesh PatelAlso,i suggest Kalpesh to check the PSU for clean 

and correct 5V supply. Sarma 

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Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 24 May 2007 

[Quoting: mvs sarma] Sorry I spelled worngly It is Kalpesh PatelAlso,i suggest Kalpesh to 

check the PSU for clean and correct 5V supply. Sarma 

hello Mr sarma.. thanks for sharing :) 


Posted by: 

hadi 

on: 27 May 2007 

Posted by: 

Kishor Soni 

on: 01 Jun 2007 

is the best 

Dear sir,Is your ISP Programmer works with windows XP 



Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 01 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Abhax 

on: 01 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 01 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

suetaM 

on: 01 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 02 Jun 2007 

[Quoting: Kishor Soni] Dear sir,Is your ISP Programmer works with windows XP 

Yes it does work on winXP. 


You have given the design specification for the cable .... but while setting up the main board 

wat are the small things to take care of....you mentioned 1)10 microf fromm rst pin to +vcc 2) 

Ea bar is at +vcc anything else.... Also can i use a 74541 IC instead of a and gate..... further 

more my parllel port can only output a max voltage of 3.22V as a logic high from the data 

pins. does the logic high neccessarily have to be above 4.5 volts???? 

Yes, this should be enough... 

Yes sure, it's even better! 

No you dont!, 3.5V is enough, That's because we use a buffer. 


[Quoting: Abhax] You have given the design specification for the cable .... but while setting 

up the main board wat are the small things to take care of....you mentioned 1)10 microf 

fromm rst pin to +vcc 2) Ea bar is at +vcc anything else.... 

[Quoting: Abhax]Also can i use a 74541 IC instead of a and gate..... 

[Quoting: Abhax]further more my parllel port can only output a max voltage of 3.22V as a 

logic high from the data pins. does the logic high neccessarily have to be above 4.5 

volts???? 


Hello,I mounted the cable and I'm its ok to read the device.I understand that to read it I need 

both MOSI, MISO, CLK and RESET signals, cause one is the way of solicitations to 89s51 and 

other is the way of listening answers.I know both signals are operating ok, cause your 

software read only FF bytes when one of each cables are not plugged on my protoboard. And 

when are pluged, I read "real" values.So, all the four signals are operating ok to read, but 

when I try to write I have the "Write Error at adrress 0 ....." error.I tried to put the capacitor 

10uF to the source and the error continues.I tried with four microcontroler, all showed the 

same error.So, some idea?I unbelieve the problem is at 89s51 cause it's understanding my 

solicitations and answering.Other question... where do I found 89s51 ATMEL ISP programmer? 

Thanks,suetaM 


[Quoting: suetaM] Hello,I mounted the cable and I'm its ok to read the device.I understand 

that to read it I need both MOSI, MISO, CLK and RESET signals, cause one is the way of 

solicitations to 89s51 and other is the way of listening answers.I know both signals are 

operating ok, cause your software read only FF bytes when one of each cables are not 

plugged on my protoboard. And when are pluged, I read "real" values.So, all the four 

signals are operating ok to read, but when I try to write I have the "Write Error at adrress 

0 ....." error.I tried to put the capacitor 10uF to the source and the error continues.I tried 

with four microcontroler, all showed the same error.So, some idea?I unbelieve the problem 

is at 89s51 cause it's understanding my solicitations and answering.Other question... where 

do I found 89s51 ATMEL ISP programmer?Thanks,suetaM 

well, let's start from the begining, did you connect pin 31 to 5V, and a crystal oscillator on 18 

and 19?try slowing down the process from the ISPprog software..what is the length of the 

cable?Try another power supply, if the power supply is not clean and too noizy it gives me the 

same symptomes. try operating from a battery and a 7805 regulator...let us know how it 

went.. good luck 


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Anonymous 

visitor 

on: 02 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 02 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Abhay 

on: 05 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 05 Jun 2007 


[Quoting: suetaM] Hello,I mounted the cable and I'm its ok to read the device.I 

understand that to read it I need both MOSI, MISO, CLK and RESET signals, cause one is 

the way of solicitations to 89s51 and other is the way of listening answers.I know both 

signals are operating ok, cause your software read only FF bytes when one of each cables 

are not plugged on my protoboard. And when are pluged, I read "real" values.So, all the 

four signals are operating ok to read, but when I try to write I have the "Write Error at 

adrress 0 ....." error.I tried to put the capacitor 10uF to the source and the error 

continues.I tried with four microcontroler, all showed the same error.So, some idea?I 

unbelieve the problem is at 89s51 cause it's understanding my solicitations and 

answering.Other question... where do I found 89s51 ATMEL ISP programmer? 

Thanks,suetaM 

well, let's start from the begining, did you connect pin 31 to 5V, and a crystal oscillator on 

18 and 19?try slowing down the process from the ISPprog software..what is the length of 

the cable?Try another power supply, if the power supply is not clean and too noizy it gives 

me the same symptomes. try operating from a battery and a 7805 regulator...let us know 

how it went.. good luck 

I download other software and, whith the same cable schematic shown on this page I solve 

the problem. So, I can say the problem is the software.The software I downloaded can be find 

at http://www.aec-electronics.co.nz/index.php?page_id=18I tried to take out the 7408 buffer 

and it operate. So I changed my source to a computer source (5.15V) and it didn't operate.So, 

I installed a 10K resistor betwen the RESET and ground and a 0.1 uF capacitor betwen source 

and RESET, and it operate.So, my schematic folows (without 7408 or any buffer):DB25 

89S516 RESET7 MOSI8 CLK10 MISO18-25 GROUNDI suggest a cable with one more wire (6 at 

total), where you will plug on microcontroler Vcc (Source). Lets call it signal by 

MIC_SOURCE.So, to finish your cable, install a capacitor 0.1uF betwen MIC_SOURCE wire and 

RESET wire and a resistor betwen wire RESET and GROUND and download software 

athttp://www.aec-electronics.co.nz/index.php?page_id=18Its possible to run with it's page 

software, but on my micro it didn't happened.So, is it andDá-lhe Grêmio!!!!!!! (Soccer World 

Championship 1983 and 2 times America Championship) 


[Quoting: suetaM ] I download other software and, whith the same cable schematic shown 

on this page I solve the problem. So, I can say the problem is the software.The software I 

downloaded can be find at http://www.aec-electronics.co.nz/index.php?page_id=18I tried 

to take out the 7408 buffer and it operate. So I changed my source to a computer source 

(5.15V) and it didn't operate.So, I installed a 10K resistor betwen the RESET and ground 

and a 0.1 uF capacitor betwen source and RESET, and it operate.So, my schematic folows 

(without 7408 or any buffer):DB25 89S516 RESET7 MOSI8 CLK10 MISO18-25 GROUNDI 

suggest a cable with one more wire (6 at total), where you will plug on microcontroler Vcc 

(Source). Lets call it signal by MIC_SOURCE.So, to finish your cable, install a capacitor 

0.1uF betwen MIC_SOURCE wire and RESET wire and a resistor betwen wire RESET and 

GROUND and download software athttp://www.aec-electronics.co.nz/index.php? 

page_id=18Its possible to run with it's page software, but on my micro it didn't 

happened.So, is it andDá-lhe Grêmio!!!!!!! (Soccer World Championship 1983 and 2 times 

America Championship) 

Wow! suetaM I am impressed, nice problem solving approach!And thanks a lot for sharing 

such useful information to the visitors.See you soon! 


Ya ok good news ..... my programmer works...... hey one thing the program you have written 

is perfect no problems.... but few things must be noted..... the Atmel datasheet mentions the 

use of two 33 microf capacitors with the crystal oscillator.... you kno that had spoilt my entire 

programmer..... i screwed 3 chips using that capacitors...... i had used 2 33microfarad 

electrolytic capacitors with the crystal connected to ground.... incase any of you have used it 

take it out and then try else try out a ceramic 33 microfarad..... i dont kno whether using a 

ceramic capacitor will work or not but it is definitely worth a try...... one more thing i wanted 

to ask is the programming is done and the program read the microcontroller flash too and 

programs it but it doesnt seem to run the way it is intended..... apart from grounding reset 

and connectine ea(pin 31) to Vcc wat else should be done ..... i had written a stepper motor 

program where the the pins 1.2 and 1.3 keep going on and off with 1 second period but the 

pins in the microcontroller remains at 5.15 volts. no change i dont understand why .... i am 

guessing the chip is screwed..... 

I didn't write this software, All the credit goes to Adam Dybkowski 


[Quoting: Abhay] hey one thing the program you have written is perfect no problems.... 

[Quoting: Abhay]but few things must be noted..... the Atmel datasheet mentions the use of 

two 33 microf capacitors with the crystal oscillator.... you kno that had spoilt my entire 

programmer..... i screwed 3 chips using that capacitors...... i had used 2 33microfarad 

electrolytic capacitors with the crystal connected to ground....



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It's the first time i hear of some one using Electrolytic capacitors for a crystal oscillator, it's 

definately a bad thing to do! 

[Quoting: Abhay]incase any of you have used it take it out and then try else try out a 

ceramic 33 microfarad..... i dont kno whether using a ceramic capacitor will work or not but 

it is definitely worth a try...... 

Thanks for the advice. i'll add that in case you don't have the right cerramic capacitor, you can 

not add any capacitor, and it'll work anyway, the frequency wont be very stable, but that's all. 

[Quoting: Abhay]one more thing i wanted to ask is the programming is done and the 

program read the microcontroller flash too and programs it but it doesnt seem to run the 

way it is intended..... apart from grounding reset and connectine ea(pin 31) to Vcc wat else 

should be done ..... i had written a stepper motor program where the the pins 1.2 and 1.3 

keep going on and off with 1 second period but the pins in the microcontroller remains at 

5.15 volts. no change i dont understand why .... i am guessing the chip is screwed..... 

why would you ground the RST pin? don't do that! just connect a resistor between it and the 

ground, and a 10uF electrolytic CAP between it and Vcc.If the programmer said "ready" then 

the code it downloaded on your chip sucessfully, so search for the error in the code or in your 

hardware. 


Posted by: 

arun kumar 

on: 07 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 07 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 08 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Anonymous 

visitor 

on: 08 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

suetaM 

on: 11 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 12 Jun 2007 

we r using at89c55 i want to load the program using parallel port programmer kit.where it is 

available in chennai 


[Quoting: arun kumar] we r using at89c55 i want to load the program using parallel port 

programmer kit.where it is available in chennai 

Among all 8051 programmers, only the "s" series can be programmed via the ISP port. the 

AT89C55 cannot be programmed with the ISP programmer proposed on this page. 


[Quoting: arun kumar] we r using at89c55 i want to load the program using parallel port 

programmer kit.where it is available in chennai 

Hi Arun, Unless you are particular about using 89c55 only, it will workout cheaper to shift to 

89S52 as these are very cheap at less than Indian Rs.40/- and this simple programmer can do 

for you and your job is done. Hope you will appreciate the economics of the idea.Sarma 


[Quoting: Abhay] Ya ok ...... the Atmel datasheet mentions the use of two 33 microf 

capacitors with the crystal oscillator.... try...... o 

Hi Abhay, please look at the same datasheet carefully- you will notice that the CAPs are 33pF 

each (Pico farad-- and NOT Microfarad)thereis a musquito to elephant difference between pico 

to micro Hope this will help to serve you better.Sarma 


Hello!I'm happy cause I solve the paralell ISP cable programming problem.But now I'm with a 

new problem.I implemented serial communication with 89s51 but when I turn off and turn on 

the 89s51 source it just don't operate more. I need to reprogram many times to it begin 

operate rightly.Someone with the same problem? 


Hi suetaM,1. ensure that the 5V supply is noisefree. If you use 5V regulator -ensure that the 

input is more than 8Vdc even with a 20mA load at the output.2. ensure that the sck clock is 

set at LESS THAN 1/16th of the crystal frequency used.3. esuure that the cable length 

between RS232 port and the programmer is minimum.4. definitely check for any dry joints-- 

DON'T USE TEMPORARY ESTABLISHMENT LIKE BREADBOARD as this will cause intermittant 

connections.5. put a 10uF capacitor between Vcc and Gnd VERY NEAR TO THE 89S52 PINS.6. 

ENSURE THAT PINS 40 AND 31 ARE CONNECTED PROPERLY. Perhaps you are already aware of 

all these funds.with these precautions you will succeed.Sarma 


Posted by: 

maryam 

on: 21 Jun 2007 

hi dear all,does this programmer work with winxp? 


Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 21 Jun 2007 

[Quoting: maryam] hi dear all,does this programmer work with winxp? 

Yes, it does work for win XP



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Posted by: 

Anonymous 

visitor 

on: 22 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 22 Jun 2007 

[Quoting: mvs sarma] Hi suetaM,1. ensure that the 5V supply is noisefree. If you use 5V 

regulator -ensure that the input is more than 8Vdc even with a 20mA load at the output.2. 

ensure that the sck clock is set at LESS THAN 1/16th of the crystal frequency used.3. 

esuure that the cable length between RS232 port and the programmer is minimum.4. 

definitely check for any dry joints-- DON'T USE TEMPORARY ESTABLISHMENT LIKE 

BREADBOARD as this will cause intermittant connections.5. put a 10uF capacitor between 

Vcc and Gnd VERY NEAR TO THE 89S52 PINS.6. ENSURE THAT PINS 40 AND 31 ARE 

CONNECTED PROPERLY. Perhaps you are already aware of all these funds.with these 

precautions you will succeed.Sarma 

I solve the problem using a capacitor between pins 40 and 20 from 89s51. Maybe it's a noise 

problem. 


[Quoting: ]I solve the problem using a capacitor between pins 40 and 20 from 89s51. 

Maybe it's a noise problem. 

Yes, lately i discovered this ISP programmer is very prone to noize. try to reduce noize by all 

means... 


Posted by: 

Irsa 

on: 26 Jun 2007 

Thanks for info 


Posted by: 

Rejith 

on: 29 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

maryam 

on: 30 Jun 2007 

Posted by: 

Jaspal 

on: 27 Jul 2007 

Posted by: 

jaspal 

on: 27 Jul 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 27 Jul 2007 

Posted by: 

mohan 

on: 28 Jul 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 29 Jul 2007 

There seem to be no problem with the circuit or the software as somebody mentioned above. 

It works fine 


you're great!!!your programer was the most intresting project i have done in my life.thank you 

very muchi hope bests for you. 


my device is 89s52 but it didn't work the isp program send message "WRITE LOCKED" i check 

the cable,power and lockbits but i cant success to connect my device and isp program what do 

you think this problem??? When i erase the controller it is erased properly but not 

programmed..what should i do??i had also chek my controller on universal progrmmer it is 

found ok and program through it...but it can't program through isp?? pls help 

i am facing same type of problem?? had u find any solution??? pls let me know 


[Quoting: danny] erase..okproblem:write error at adress 00000000 byte written:02 byte 

read: 00help me please 


[Quoting: Jaspal] my device is 89s52 but it didn't work the isp program send message 

"WRITE LOCKED" i check the cable,power and lockbits but i cant success to connect my 

device and isp program what do you think this problem??? When i erase the controller it is 

erased properly but not programmed..what should i do??i had also chek my controller on 

universal progrmmer it is found ok and program through it...but it can't program through 

isp?? pls help 

have you tried to use another micro? i hade some micro controllers that accepted to be 

programmed via universal programmer but not through ISP... 


please tell me it's specificationhow to use it with target hardware without removing ic 


Attention Jaspal,you may have to completely errese the chip and check for blank condition. 

your program should not contain locking bits for the time beingyou have to set up the clk 

speed to a little below 1/16th of the crystal frequncy.you need to place a 10uF cap between 

Vcc and Gnd pins of the target IC.Please try out.Last but not leaset the Vcc should be 5+/- 

0.25 V DC 

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Posted by: 

ASHWINI 

on: 07 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 07 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ms. TORAL 

on: 07 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 07 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

nagesh 

on: 10 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 10 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

nagesh 

on: 10 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 10 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 11 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

nagesh 

on: 12 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

i want to know how to transfer parallel data from port0 of IC 89C52 TO PORT 1 serially. 

this article explains what you need. 


[Quoting: ASHWINI] i want to know how to transfer parallel data from port0 of IC 89C52 TO 

PORT 1 serially. 


in 89C51, with 11.0592mhz crystal we r using two capacitors of 30 pf, why to use those two 

capacitor along with crystal? 


[Quoting: Ms. TORAL] in 89C51, with 11.0592mhz crystal we r using two capacitors of 30 

pf, why to use those two capacitor along with crystal? 

Altough this has nothing to do with the subject of this page, i'll replie. Those capacitors are to 

assure te stability of the oscillating frequency. They are not critical for the operation of the 

mirco controller, but they'll increase the accuracy of the clock. 


My ISP circuit works but sometimes.the problem is if i give"erase&program" command only 

some part of the hex file will be written and i shows "error in memory location C0 or FF10 

etc".So after being tried for 5-8 times, sometimes it may write completly..so plz clarify this 

problem.whether it may be due to circut or my computer port..? i've used 11.0935MHz 

crystal.. 


[Quoting: nagesh] My ISP circuit works but sometimes.the problem is if i 

give"erase&program" command only some part of the hex file will be written and i shows 

"error in memory location C0 or FF10 etc".So after being tried for 5-8 times, sometimes it 

may write completly..so plz clarify this problem.whether it may be due to circut or my 

computer port..? i've used 11.0935MHz crystal.. 

This is most probably due to a noizy power supply. Add decoupling capacitors acrross the 

supply rails of your micro controller and try to use a better power supply. If you'r working with 

a 5V supply from a PC, try stepping down the 12V supply using a 7805 voltage regulator.Try 

also reducing the length of the cable to 0.5 m max.But before anything else, you may simply 

try to reduce the writing speed from "fastest" to something like 2Mhz.. Good luck 


thanx for ur suggetions.And further I am using a SMPS adapter with variable output voltages 

to get 7V DC, then again i am using a LM7805 based regulator stage to obtain 5vdc and i've 

conneected a 0.01mF ceramic capacitor across the output rails..Now whether i've to eliminate 

this stage...? plz reply me.. 


[Quoting: nagesh] thanx for ur suggetions.And further I am using a SMPS adapter with 

variable output voltages to get 7V DC, then again i am using a LM7805 based regulator 

stage to obtain 5vdc and i've conneected a 0.01mF ceramic capacitor across the output 

rails..Now whether i've to eliminate this stage...? plz reply me.. 

Those adapter tends to be pretty noizy. Try adjusting it to 9V or 12V instead of 7V. The 

capacitor is fine, keep it.try all the suggestions on this forum, and keep ut posted.good luck 


Dear Nagesh, It is better you use a linear adopter salvaged from any unused devise with 

atleast above 8 V --say 9V DC. try using a 7805 with 4.7uF at its output -- this should serve 

your purpose. A noisy PSU will always trouble you. -- most important , try to minimize the 

cable length beteen PC and the programmer and also the ISP cable length. Sarma 


Yeh..It works fine now.first i had reduced the writing speed to 2MHz,but there were errors 

sometime.then i reduced the cable length to half meter,and now it is fine..Thanx to supportive 

response by Mr.IKA and Mr.MVS Sarma 


Good Morning if you have serial port ISP detail if you have kindly send me.The above kit i 

develop and send my feedbackThank youM E Raja



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ME Raja 

on: 20 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 20 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

sonu 

on: 21 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 21 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Sushila kumar 

Das 

on: 27 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Felipe Uderman 

on: 28 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Sushila kumar 

Das 

on: 29 Aug 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 30 Aug 2007 


[Quoting: ME Raja] Good Morning if you have serial port ISP detail if you have kindly send 

me.The above kit i develop and send my feedbackThank youM E Raja 

hello, i don't fully inderstand the meaning of your message, but i understood you needed a 

serial ISP programmer, and I don't have it, but here is page that decribes how to build one. 


sir i am very glad that you provide such a good project.sir can i have your email id to contact 

infuture for help..i am doing engineering.thanks 


[Quoting: sonu] sir i am very glad that you provide such a good project.sir can i have your 

email id to contact infuture for help..i am doing engineering.thanks 

My e-mail is everywhere on the website.. i can't beleive spam robots found it, and you didn't!.. 

try and go to the "contact" page.. maybe you'll find it! lol 


This is very very interesting project for me .Actually I am beginner to this field.soplease guide 

me . Thanks 


Hello. Thank you for this information. Do you believe it is possible to adapt this solution to an 

USB or DB9 PC connection. My problem is that I dont have a DB25 connector on my PC. I also 

am looking for some sample or open source code of ISP programers. Thank you. 


I am very very happy that your ISP is working tremondously.Thank you for this.Can you 

suggest a compiler(BASIC or C)for 89S52 application. 


[Quoting: Sushila kumar Das] I am very very happy that your ISP is working 

tremondously.Thank you for this.Can you suggest a compiler(BASIC or C)for 89S52 

application. 

for all 8051 family (inc. 89s52) KEIL is my favorite choice, using C language. 


Posted by: 

Arsalan 

on: 19 Sep 2007 

Posted by: 

Didik 

on: 20 Sep 2007 

hi 

I JUST WANT TO ASK THAT CAN I USE 89C51 OR 89C52 FOR ISP 

thanks to Ibrahim Kamal (ika@ikalogic.com) 



Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 21 Sep 2007 

[Quoting: Arsalan] hiI JUST WANT TO ASK THAT CAN I USE 89C51 OR 89C52 FOR ISP 

No, one the 'S' series of the 8051 family is copatible with the ISP. 


Posted by: 

Abhisheik 

on: 22 Sep 2007 

Posted by: 

Richeek 

on: 27 Sep 2007 

We are trying to program AT89S8253. We made the circuit as mentioned. Still we cannot 

detect the microcontroller. When trying to read signature it shows error " Bad Signature or 

device unknown". Can anyone suggest. 

Hi 

I am using AT89S51 MCU .I have build your circuit given at: 

http://www.ikalogic.com/isp.php?rep=1186743748 

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The problem is that this circuit is working fine with AtMega16(i am able 

to dump the code) but with At89S51 i am unable to do it.(On the same computer) 

I have followed all your suggestions given on the forum. 

Can you please tell me what might be the cause of the problem?(i have made 

both the circuits on a breadborad). 

regards 

Richeek 


Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 28 Sep 2007 

[Quoting: Richeek] HiI am using AT89S51 MCU .I have build your circuit given 

at:http://www.ikalogic.com/isp.php?rep=1186743748The problem is that this circuit is 

working fine with AtMega16(i am ableto dump the code) but with At89S51 i am unable to do 

it.(On the same computer)I have followed all your suggestions given on the forum.Can you 

please tell me what might be the cause of the problem?(i have madeboth the circuits on a 

breadborad).regardsRicheek 

Here are my suggestions: 

- Try another MCU 

- Try another power supply 

- Use slower programming speed 

- use a 10 uF CAP btw pin 9 ant 5V 

- Shorten the cable 

good luck 

Posted by: 

Alfredo 

on: 28 Sep 2007 

Posted by: 

Alfredo 

on: 28 Sep 2007 

Hi... 

i think this is a great job!!! keep doing the right thing! 

I guess if this programmer will work with an AT89S8252??? 

Hi... 

i think this is a great job!!! keep doing the right thing! 

I guess if this programmer will work with an AT89S8252??? 




Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 01 Oct 2007 

Hey Alfredo, 

the device AT89S8252 and 8253 are also programmable with the software . A list of devices 

that could be programmed can be seen by clicking the button at the bottom of the software 

ISPporg.exe. the only issue is wiring the concerned pins to the device carefully while meeting 

the maufacturers specification for flash programming. 

As long as there is no need for High Vpp(of say 12V or so), things can be accomplished 

Regards 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

Louis 

on: 15 Oct 2007 

hi, i make the circuit and test it whit 89s52, it wasn't auto recognized by the software, i forced 

to 89s52, Now i can read the flash (the flash is new and i don´t have other), but i cant 

programa flash, erase its ok, but problem: write error at adress 00000000 byte written:0E 

byte read: FF. 

What Can I Do? 

XTAL=20MHz, C1=C2=22pf, uC=AT89S52, cable=40cm, 89S52-Pin31=5.2v, Vcc=5.2v, 

GND=0v. 


Posted by: 

Louis 

on: 16 Oct 2007 

problem: write error at adress 00000000 byte written:0E byte read: FF. 

its happend when windows can't access correctly the lpt port, the new version ISPprog 2007 

solved this problem. 

i found the new version (ISPprog v2007), and it solved my problem, now im using 2MHz in the



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program setting and in the uC a xtal de 20Mhz. 

Sorry but i cant rememberd wher i found the progrer 2007, i was looking for but i can't find it 

again. in google i wrote some like ISP programer 2007 or something similar. 

bye enjoy your programers like i'll enjoy mine 

Louis 

Someone know how i can use highter speed than 2Mhz in the program? if my xtal is 20Mhz? 


Posted by: 

Louis 

on: 16 Oct 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 17 Oct 2007 

here is the version 2007 of ISP programmer i find it again jejejej, it work fine in Win Vista, 

first install 'giveio' (unlock LPT port) and them enjoy ISPprog2007 

http://www.amwaw.edu.pl/~adybkows/elka/ispprog.html 


[Quoting: Louis] here is the version 2007 of ISP programmer i find it again jejejej, it work 

fine in Win Vista, first install 'giveio' (unlock LPT port) and them enjoy ISPprog2007 

http://www.amwaw.edu.pl/~adybkows/elka/ispprog.html 

Thanks a lot for this contribution. 

I hope this helps other users who enountered some similar problems while programming... 


Posted by: 

tumee_mongolia 

on: 22 Oct 2007 

hello. 

Please help me. My device is 89C52. 

I many times tried to programming to 89c52. 

But I can't do it. please help me. 


Posted by: 

tumee_mongolia 

on: 22 Oct 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 22 Oct 2007 

Hello. 

Please anyone can help me? 

My device is 89C52. I many times tried to programming to my device. But I can't do it. Help 

me 

thk's 


[Quoting: tumee_mongolia] Hello.Please anyone can help me?My device is 89C52. I many 

times tried to programming to my device. But I can't do it. Help methk's 

hello! it is written all over this page that the ISP is not compatible with the 'C' series like the 

89C52... just read this forum. or read the list of compatible devices at the top of the page. 


Posted by: 

Kishor Soni 

on: 22 Oct 2007 

Dear sir, 

I am using Your ISP software and M Asim Khan's ISP Software. 

Both were working very good. Today I get Fresh 89S52 chip with 0742 

Batch code. with this chip any of these programmer not works. 

What is the reason 


Posted by: 

sushila kumarn 

das 

on: 27 Oct 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 27 Oct 2007 

I am using ISP programmer for 89C52. It is reading the microcontroller excelently but during 

writing operation of compiled HEx files it is showing error such as "error at 0000000 memory 

location " or "error at first line" 


[Quoting: sushila kumarn das] I am using ISP programmer for 89C52. It is reading the 

microcontroller excelently but during writing operation of compiled HEx files it is showing 

error such as "error at 0000000 memory location " or "error at first line"



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Mr, the 89C52 DOES NOT HAVE an ISP port. you are probably reading rubish, and when you 

write you still read rubish during data verification, so you get this error. PLEASE EVERYBODY, 

STOP TRYRING TO GET HELP to make it work with 89C52, becuase simply it WONT. 


Posted by: 

sumeet 

on: 27 Oct 2007 

I have a better design than this one see me at A 201 RK hall any time 


Posted by: 

yac 

on: 29 Oct 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 02 Nov 2007 

Thank ikalogic very much. My isp is good. I think this is a good programmer. Easier, Cheaper, 

Faster ... I have 30' to finished this 


[Quoting: sumeet] I have a better design than this one see me at A 201 RK hall any time 

see me at A 201 RK hall any time ?? why not provide a link here, Sumeet? 


Posted by: 

anirudh 

on: 03 Nov 2007 

Posted by: 

farshad 

mohandespour 

on: 04 Nov 2007 

sorry for dis long post but i need urgent help 

thanx a lot 

I want to lern progerammer 89c51 



Posted by: 

farshad 

mohandespour 

on: 04 Nov 2007 

Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 04 Nov 2007 

[Quoting: tumee_mongolia] Hello.Please anyone can help me?My device is 89C52. I many 

times tried to programming to my device. But I can't do it. Help methk's 


Hai, Frashad, 

It was time again told by IKA the the programmer mentioned here works for 89S51 or S52 

and NOT FOR 89C51 OR C52. 

for c51(2) you need another type of programmer. try google for that 

Mean time perhaps you know that 89S52 is cheap enough and you may forget c51 and go for 

S52. I f you want to change over to S52 this programmer will serve you. 

all the best 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 04 Nov 2007 

Hai, Anirudh, 

Did you connect +5V Vcc to pin31? 

also please put a 0.1 disk and 10uF electrolytic cap across Vcc and Ground pins,VERY CLOSE 

TO THE ic. 

pLEASE ENSURE THAT THE CABLE LENGTH BETWEEN THE LPT PORT AND the programming 

board is reduced to less than 1.5 feet or so. Check your connctions for correctness. 

all the best 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

Amit 

on: 13 Nov 2007 

Hi 

I am new to the 8051 world! I want to write the programmer for AT89S51 using DB9 

connector. I am facing problem with the section of Serial Programming Instruction set of Data 

sheet of At89S51. 

http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/doc2487.pdf 

Chapter 20 

Does the Byte 4 column is Input Column or Output Column? 

Please help me out? 

regards



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Amit 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 15 Nov 2007 

Posted by: 

amit 

on: 26 Nov 2007 

Hi Amit, As I understand it byte 4 is DATA , 

if it is read mode itis output from, and if in write mode it is input to, the controller. 

the mode is perhaps defined in byte 1 

Sarma 

Hi, 

I am using DB9 connector. reference circuit down. 


The program Enable instruction on AT89S51 does not shows 

0x69 value on MOSI to confirm Programming mode enabled. 

Can any bodu help? 

Vcc o 

| 

|10 uF 

___ 

___ 

/ | \\ 

| 

| 

| 1.22 KOhms RST 

-----------/\\/\\/\\/\\-------------- 

| 

| 

| 

| Pin 3----------------------------------- MOSI 

| Pin 7___________________________________ MISO 

/ Pin 8___________________________________ SCK 

\\ 

/9.22 KOhms 

\\ 

/ 

| 

| 

| 

| 

| GND 

----- 

--- 

- 

Moreover, I am reading 0xff values on alternate byte addresses not on every byte address 

after chip erase. 

e.g. Address Data 

0xfa 00 

0xfb 0xff 

0xfc 00 

and so on, and this is conssitent for memory location. 


Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 26 Nov 2007 

[Quoting: amit] Hi,I am using DB9 connector. reference circuit down.The program Enable 

instruction on AT89S51 does not shows0x69 value on MOSI to confirm Programming mode 

enabled.Can any bodu help?..........Moreover, I am reading 0xff values on alternate byte 

addresses not on every byte address after chip erase.e.g. Address Data 0xfa 00 0xfb 0xff 

0xfc 00 and so on, and this is conssitent for memory location. 

Hi, Amit, 

you have not mentioned asto which driver software you are using for db9 socket and 

programming 89S51. 

i wonder whether you have written a driver software. if so I would be interested to test it . 

Sarma 

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Posted by: 

Anonymous 

visitor 

on: 26 Nov 2007 

[Quoting: mvs sarma] 


instruction on AT89S51 does not shows0x69 value on MOSI to confirm Programming 

mode enabled.Can any bodu help?..........Moreover, I am reading 0xff values on alternate 

byte addresses not on every byte address after chip erase.e.g. Address Data 0xfa 00 0xfb 

0xff 0xfc 00 and so on, and this is conssitent for memory location. 

Hi, Amit, you have not mentioned asto which driver software you are using for db9 socket 

and programming 89S51.i wonder whether you have written a driver software. if so I would 

be interested to test it .Sarma 

I used at89prog s/w. That is written for AT89S8252. I changed the instruction set for 

At89S51. 


Posted by: 

Om Prakash 

on: 26 Nov 2007 

Posted by: 

Anonymous 

visitor 

on: 26 Nov 2007 

This project worked fine on Windows98 but as soon as I upgraded to WindowsXP, the 

programmer is unable to identify the devices. What could be the problem, I used AT89S51. 

What is the use of a system file included in the zip file. Please guide. Thanks & regards 

[Quoting: mvs sarma] 



instruction on AT89S51 does not shows0x69 value on MOSI to confirm Programming 

mode enabled.Can any bodu help?..........Moreover, I am reading 0xff values on alternate 

byte addresses not on every byte address after chip erase.e.g. Address Data 0xfa 00 0xfb 

0xff 0xfc 00 and so on, and this is conssitent for memory location. 

Hi, Amit, you have not mentioned asto which driver software you are using for db9 socket 

and programming 89S51.i wonder whether you have written a driver software. if so I would 

be interested to test it .Sarma 

I used at89prog s/w. That is written for AT89S8252. I changed the instruction set for 

At89S51. 


Posted by: 

Amit 

on: 27 Nov 2007 

[Quoting: ] 

I canot do this because my lap top doesn't have the parallel port, it has USB port. 

This is the reason I had to re invent the wheel. 

Can you help me, why i am not able to seee byte 0x69 on MISO on program enable 

instruction? 

Is the hardware connection for Reset is a problem? 

The at89prog can be downloaded from http://jelmer.vernstok.nl/oss/at89prog/ 

its for Linux. You have build the executable with the makefile 

regards 

Amit 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 27 Nov 2007 

[Quoting: Amit] 

[Quoting: ] 

I canot do this because my lap top doesn't have the parallel port, it has USB port.This is the 

reason I had to re invent the wheel.Can you help me, why i am not able to seee byte 0x69 

on MISO on program enable instruction?Is the hardware connection for Reset is a problem? 

The at89prog can be downloaded from http://jelmer.vernstok.nl/oss/at89prog/its for Linux. 

You have build the executable with the makefileregardsAmit 

i can't manage Linux as i am just new(at my 62nd year) as just started using fedoracore7. 

on the other hand if you have winXP,you may try ponyprog at www.ponyprog.com 

you study the schematics main and the one supporting 89s53. a combination of these two and 

the software given by them will help you manage with the COM port. 

I would also be interested in the outcome.



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All the best 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

Ronald 

on: 03 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 04 Dec 2007 

Can I connect a parallel db db25 which is used to connect between the PC to print, to connect 

to at89s52 for isp? 


[Quoting: Ronald] Can I connect a parallel db db25 which is used to connect between the PC 

to print, to connect to at89s52 for isp? 

Yes, but you may have to shorten the cable to 1m or less 


Posted by: 

lellis 

on: 04 Dec 2007 

hi. can I program the atmega48V whith the isp programmer? sorry , my english is not good. 

tks! 


Posted by: 

lellis 

on: 04 Dec 2007 

I see!! may be works!! I´ll test!! and tell you! 

tks again!! 


Posted by: 

neeru 

on: 06 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

firdaus 

on: 09 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 10 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

jigesh mehta 

on: 11 Dec 2007 

plz tell wat does basically the S series stands for in IC 89S51& how it is different 4m other 

series like C series etc.??? 


hallo, i m from indonesia 

my isp working very good but i need isp with serial port because my laptop don't have parallel 

port, may be can u design to me. 


I am willing to design a serial port based ISP programmer, but be aware, it will be more 

complicated, and it wont be available on the site before a couple of monthes. What you can do 

right now is to use a USB to parallel port adapter. it should work without problems. good luck. 


I am design ISP programming cable for at89s52 microcontroller. but In that i have not 

programe the IC AT89S52. I am seting AEC-ISP.I have problem is give Device signature is 

differant when many times cilk on read signature. so give help... 


Posted by: 

aman 

on: 13 Dec 2007 

dear sir 

if i connected lcd with port 1, the entire port will be occupied with the data port of lcd.. 

my quest is this..shall i remove the lcd data cable from the P1 before downloading the hex 

code with the isp cable because it is 

P1 port of the IC...or it will download the hex. i dont want to touch the hardware. 

it is possible to programme the chip without removing any hardware interfacing devices from 

the P1. 

aman 

india 


Posted by: 

Bozo 

on: 13 Dec 2007 

I just won´t to say thank you wery much. I´m more then the satisfied with this programer. It 

isn´worked from the first time, so I modified it. At the end of the cable from the programer to 

the target board, I put the resistor 330E in serial with te sck line and then capacitor 120pF 

from the sck to gnd. Since then I have no problem. I have programed At89s2051 and 

Atmega8. 

Hello from Slovenia, 

Bozo



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Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 14 Dec 2007 

[Quoting: neeru] plz tell wat does basically the S series stands for in IC 89S51& how it is 

different 4m other series like C series etc.??? 

Hai Neeru, a simple download and comparitive study of both datasheets would clarify your 

doubts and also further your knowledge on these chips. please do so,and you will learn a lot. 

Regards 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

Ronald 

on: 17 Dec 2007 

HOw can I know if may MCU board is working properly? 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 19 Dec 2007 

[Quoting: Ronald] HOw can I know if may MCU board is working properly? 

PERHAPS YOU HAVE TO WRITE A SMALL PROGRAM LIKE BLINKING LIGHTS, HELLO WORLD 

ETC TO BE ABLE TO CONFIRM ITS WORKING- THAT TOO PROVIDED YOUR PROGRAM DOESN'T 

HAVE BUGS 


Posted by: 

eys 

on: 21 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

bharat raj 

on: 21 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 21 Dec 2007 

Hi, 

I'm considering to build up an ISP programmer for AT89LP2052/4052, but I noticed there are 

no such devices on the ISP programmer software device selection tab. Does it work if I select 

AT89S2051/4051? 


hi... can u pls help me ... very urgent... can we use this programmer for atmega32.... 

Hai, Bharat Raj, 

Yes there is provision in software to program ATmega32 

please check in setup and select the device. 

tick"don't autodetect the device" 


@eys 

can you please cross compare the chips to see the diiference. 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

dattatraya.s 

on: 22 Dec 2007 

i am from hubli city karnataka india i visited this website first time lot of informations i found 

on this . i am going to constuct isp for 89s52 hopes this article helps a lot 

than u 

datta 


Posted by: 

Ronald 

on: 22 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

bharat raj 

on: 25 Dec 2007 

Posted by: 

bittu 

When I connect the isp programmer to the parallel port of the pc, the LED of the ISP 

programmer will turn on? OR the isp programmers led will turn on when its connected to the 

MCU board even if the isp programmer in not connected to the parallel port of the pc? 


hi sharma... i did as u said... but, still am not able to program my atmega32..... i made the 

circuit as it is given but, the software is not at all detecting the chip..... wat may all be the 

problems which i can debugg.. and may i also know that can we burn the chip using 

avrstudio4.... itried to use the software but, communication is failed btw the burner and the 

comp. what all modifications can i do.. 

Will this work for 8052 microcontroller...? 

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on: 06 Jan 2008 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 07 Jan 2008 

Hai, Bharat Raj, 

1. Which crystal you have used? 

2. Did you set the speed to less than crystal frequency/16? 

3. In the set up did you use AEC ISP? 

4. Whether the port used is LPT1. 

5. what type computer you use? Did you check +5V? or itis less? 

6. Did you pull up the pin31 as generally needed. 

Regards 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 07 Jan 2008 

Hai, Bittu, 

Many times it is mentioned that it is for only 89S51 and 89S52 

however the list of devices possible is gine in the software package and see them by pressing 

SETUP and pressing a button at the device select. 

Regards 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 07 Jan 2008 

[Quoting: Bozo] I just won´t to say thank you wery much. I´m more then the satisfied with 

this programer. It isn´worked from the first time, so I modified it. At the end of the cable 

from the programer to the target board, I put the resistor 330E in serial with te sck line and 

then capacitor 120pF from the sck to gnd. Since then I have no problem. I have programed 

At89s2051 and Atmega8. Hello from Slovenia, Bozo 

Nice Bozo, you sorted out the issues and happy that it works!!Lovely 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

Anonymous 

visitor 

on: 07 Jan 2008 

[Quoting: jigesh mehta] I am design ISP programming cable for at89s52 microcontroller. 

but In that i have not programe the IC AT89S52. I am seting AEC-ISP.I have problem is 

give Device signature is differant when many times cilk on read signature. so give help... 

Hai Jigesh, At the right side top there is one button called "setup". press it and at the bottom 

of the new window youhave the device select. 

either you can set it by manual selection by clicking don't autodetect. press the button 

adjecent and a list of devices opens up. go to the device you want and select it 

therafter you go ahead. AEC ISP is a method LPT pins are selected. for what we are are using 

it is AEC ISP 

All the best 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

mvs sarma 

on: 07 Jan 2008 

[Quoting: MVS Sarma] Hai, Bharat Raj,1. Which crystal you have used? 2. Did you set the 

speed to less than crystal frequency/16?3. In the set up did you use AEC ISP?4. Whether 

the port used is LPT1.5. what type computer you use? Did you check +5V? or itis less?6. Did 

you pull up the pin31 as generally needed.Regards Sarma 

I beg to offer correction please see the circuit published by IKA, and specifically stated that no 

crystal needed. thus we pay put it in fastest speed option and software will take care of. also 

pin31 is shown connected to ground in ATMEGA16 

Thus ATMega32 may follow suite and the best would be to check with datasheet of ATMega32. 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

Ronald 

[Quoting: ]



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on: 11 Jan 2008 

Posted by: 

Ibrahim Kamal 

on: 12 Jan 2008 

Is the circuit of isp programmer is also the same of the circuit of a parallel db25 connector 

which is used for interfacing printer to pc? 

[Quoting: Ronald] 

[Quoting: ] 


Is the circuit of isp programmer is also the same of the circuit of a parallel db25 connector 

which is used for interfacing printer to pc? 

Not at all, The printers use a compleately different protocole, which is dedicated to printer/PC 

communication, where all the I/O pins of the db25 connector are used. 


Posted by: 

Ronald 

on: 12 Jan 2008 

Posted by: 

abu salim 

on: 13 Jan 2008 

Hi.. 

I have a problem with my isp programmer. Well, my isp programmer work well,and can down 

load a program to the mcu baord.But sometimes the isp software can't read the signature of 

my at89s52 board and the pin 31 is connected to vcc. This gives me a Depression. Can you 

help me.. 


dear mr ibrahim, 

let's me introduce my self, my nama is Abu Salim, i come from Indonesia, i hope you know 

where is indonesia :) 

thanx for your tutorial ini this site. it's really helps me. 

but i've a few problem about ISP programming for uC Atmel 89S5x. 

i've tried a few different schematics for ISP including yours, 

but unfornatelly it can work. most of those program said that 

"they can't write to uC", "no response from uC", "the device signatures is not same", etc. 

Please tell me, how to solve this problem ? 

it's there any possibilitis that problems related with my OS, 

i'm using Ms Windows XP Home SP2 and sometime XP Prof SP2 

(of course, not genuine, it's common in my country :), 

as i know in Windows XP it's more difficult to get access to hardware. 

thanks for your response. 

abu salim 

--------- 

salimcomp@gmail.com 


Posted by: 

ved 

on: 14 Jan 2008 

Posted by: 

andrick jones 

on: 19 Jan 2008 

hi......i am beginner in controller world but this site make more easy to work. thanks 

Hi... this one is a great circuit!.. thanks a lot! ;-) 


...I have observed one strange problem: the programmer works fine on my comp (2001 model 

original intel 845 mobo) but does not work on newer comps (like a 2005 model intel mobo). It 

does not detect the controller signature. It'll be great if you can point out a remedy!... 


Posted by: 

yo 

on: 19 Jan 2008 

i get "no data in file" error when trying to program 

this file have been tested in other programmer and worked 

can u help me out 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 19 Jan 2008 

[Quoting: yo] i get "no data in file" error when trying to program this file have been tested 

in other programmer and workedcan u help me out 

I use this circuit and the concerned software in Intel915GLVG mobo and it has been working 

well and with winXP. What exectly is your motherboard number?



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Sarma 


Posted by: 

Daniel8484 

on: 23 Jan 2008 

I got it working with 1 meter cable :D, just add the 10k resitor and 10u Capacitor on the rst as 

suggested. 

Thanks for share with us your ISP =D 

I have just one question... i need a cable that works with BASCOM 8051 from atmel directly, i 

saw that BASCOM supports STK200/300, there is a way to ajust your model to turn it similar 

to stk and bascom see it? 

Or you have any information of anyone that got BASCOM to program a 89s52? and what cable 

he uses? 

Thanks for any help :D 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 31 Jan 2008 

[Quoting: yo] i get "no data in file" error when trying to program this file have been tested 

in other programmer and worked can u help me out 

CAN YOU PUT YOUR FILE COPY SO THAT WE COULD ANALYZE BY SIMULATION 

Sarma 


Posted by: 

pratham 

on: 04 Feb 2008 

Hi, 

I am trying to program the AT89S52. 

The software does not give an error while reading the flash. 

(It reads the flash as all 0xFF which looks ok), 

but if I try to program the flash, it gives an error message: 

"Write error at adress 00000000 byte written 01 byte read FF" 

Can you suggest the possible reason for this? 

Can I presume that the read operation is working ok? 

Thanks & Regards, 

Pratham. 


Posted by: 

MVS Sarma 

on: 06 Feb 2008 

It is clear that it is not writing, so 0xff remain there. 

please check the connections at pin31 to Vdd is proper. also check whether you have the 10uF 

and parallel104 disc cap as filter between pins 40(Vdd) and PIN20 (Vss).check the setting of 

programming speed in the ispprog software 

set it to "1/16" th or less of the crystal you have used. 

you also ensure that the cable used is not longer than say 15or 20 inches. better slect the 

device manually instead of leaving to software. 


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