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Moore:<br />
“Your doctrine of the<br />
church is fundamental<br />
to what you believe<br />
about God.”<br />
Wills: Not all aspects of individualism are incorrect. We must<br />
for example respond to the Gospel individually. But unscriptural<br />
forms of individualism have grown in the past few generations.<br />
Sinful forms of individualism tend to privilege personal<br />
“fulfillment” and individual preference at the expense of the<br />
good of the family or the church.<br />
The best place to begin is to teach on the nature of the<br />
church and the role of each member in it. Every member has a<br />
role to play in the body, but we sometimes approach individual<br />
gifts as sources of self-actualization and self-esteem, rather as<br />
divinely appointed duties for the church as a body.<br />
Q: In doing church discipline should we distinguish<br />
between private offenses, as so many in our culture demand,<br />
and public offenses? Where is the line?<br />
Orrick: As a general rule, I think the discipline needs to be as public<br />
as the offence. That being said, some private offences are public<br />
knowledge, or will become public knowledge, and therefore<br />
must be dealt with publicly. Furthermore, some private offences<br />
are of such an egregious nature that they must be made public<br />
and dealt with publicly. This is especially true when the integrity<br />
of the Gospel or the purity of the church is at stake. While reclamation<br />
of the disciplined person ought always to be in view in<br />
the exercise of church discipline, I do not believe that his reclamation<br />
is the primary concern of church discipline. Rather, the primary<br />
concern is that we obey Christ and maintain the purity of<br />
His body. Christ’s church is more important than any individual. I<br />
believe that keeping this great purpose in mind will help to guide<br />
us in dealing with those sins and situations that are not specifically<br />
addressed in Scripture.<br />
Whitney: While there are specific sins mentioned in the New<br />
Testament which call for church discipline, the Bible doesn’t<br />
give us an exhaustive list. Ultimately, any sin — public or private<br />
— is a disciplinable offense if there is persistent unrepentance.<br />
For even in those matters that a church would consider<br />
relatively minor offenses, persistent unrepentance — after<br />
repeated, loving appeals — eventually turns a minor offense<br />
into a major one. For after awhile the real offense is no lon-<br />
ger the original offense, but the individual’s rejection of the<br />
church’s authority in the matter.<br />
Wills:<br />
The real question with the regard to church discipline<br />
is not<br />
whether the sin is known publicly. Adultery for example<br />
is just<br />
as heinous before it becomes public knowledge as after.<br />
The question is what sins should the church take particular<br />
notice<br />
of through church discipline procedures. This is not an<br />
easy question to answer, and in many cases we will not have<br />
absolute certainty regarding our duty. But surely the church<br />
must notice such sins as the Scriptures declare to be incompat-<br />
ible with our profession of faith in Christ and with fellowship in<br />
the church, as in 1 Cor 5:11; 6:9-10; Gal 5:19-21; and Eph. 5:3-5.<br />
Q: Is<br />
ecclesiology a doctrinal area that must be integrated<br />
within our overall framework of theology or is it an<br />
entirely separate issue? How do we counter the popular<br />
argument that insists, “God is not interested in how you<br />
worship (or govern your church). He is merely interested<br />
that you worship?”<br />
Moore: If that statement were true, we could dance around<br />
golden calves. God is intensely interested in both how and<br />
whom we worship. Your doctrine of the church is fundamental<br />
to what you believe about God. If you don’t have a robust doctrine<br />
of the church, it’s very difficult to understand the Trinity<br />
because the church is modeled after the Trinity. If you don’t<br />
have a strong view of the church, it’s very difficult to understand<br />
the doctrine of Christ when Jesus says that He is united<br />
to His church as a head to a body. Those who say, ‘I love Jesus.<br />
I’m not interested in the church,’ are very similar to a husband<br />
who would say to his wife, ‘I love you. It’s your body I can’t<br />
stand.’ That’s not an option for Christians. For me, every doctrine<br />
has to be understood through the grid of the church.<br />
Orrick: Ecclesiology must be integrated within our overall framework<br />
of theology because ecclesiology drastically affects our<br />
understanding and practice of theology. The Lord has seen fit to<br />
communicate His truth through the holy Scriptures, but it is the<br />
church that has been charged with the task of proclaiming the<br />
truth of Scripture to believers and to the world. The medium<br />
through which something is communicated affects the message<br />
of what is communicated. C.S. Lewis observed, “Every ideal of<br />
style dictates not only how we should say things but what sort<br />
of things we may say.” The second commandment (“no graven<br />
images”) does not address the issue of whom we are to worship<br />
— that is covered in the first commandment. The second commandment<br />
addresses the issue of how we are to worship the one<br />
true God. Why? Because how we worship affects our understanding<br />
of the one whom we worship. The same thing may be asserted<br />
with respect to church government.<br />
Whitney: Ecclesiology should matter to us because the biblical<br />
passages which speak of it show us that ecclesiology matters to<br />
God.<br />
In John 4:24 Jesus said that those who worship the Father<br />
“must worship in spirit and truth.” Both aspects are equally<br />
important. Acceptable worship is not only from the heart, but<br />
it must also be offered according to the truth of Scripture.<br />
<strong>Southern</strong> <strong>Seminary</strong> Magazine | Fall 2007 page 5