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Moore:<br />

“Your doctrine of the<br />

church is fundamental<br />

to what you believe<br />

about God.”<br />

Wills: Not all aspects of individualism are incorrect. We must<br />

for example respond to the Gospel individually. But unscriptural<br />

forms of individualism have grown in the past few generations.<br />

Sinful forms of individualism tend to privilege personal<br />

“fulfillment” and individual preference at the expense of the<br />

good of the family or the church.<br />

The best place to begin is to teach on the nature of the<br />

church and the role of each member in it. Every member has a<br />

role to play in the body, but we sometimes approach individual<br />

gifts as sources of self-actualization and self-esteem, rather as<br />

divinely appointed duties for the church as a body.<br />

Q: In doing church discipline should we distinguish<br />

between private offenses, as so many in our culture demand,<br />

and public offenses? Where is the line?<br />

Orrick: As a general rule, I think the discipline needs to be as public<br />

as the offence. That being said, some private offences are public<br />

knowledge, or will become public knowledge, and therefore<br />

must be dealt with publicly. Furthermore, some private offences<br />

are of such an egregious nature that they must be made public<br />

and dealt with publicly. This is especially true when the integrity<br />

of the Gospel or the purity of the church is at stake. While reclamation<br />

of the disciplined person ought always to be in view in<br />

the exercise of church discipline, I do not believe that his reclamation<br />

is the primary concern of church discipline. Rather, the primary<br />

concern is that we obey Christ and maintain the purity of<br />

His body. Christ’s church is more important than any individual. I<br />

believe that keeping this great purpose in mind will help to guide<br />

us in dealing with those sins and situations that are not specifically<br />

addressed in Scripture.<br />

Whitney: While there are specific sins mentioned in the New<br />

Testament which call for church discipline, the Bible doesn’t<br />

give us an exhaustive list. Ultimately, any sin — public or private<br />

— is a disciplinable offense if there is persistent unrepentance.<br />

For even in those matters that a church would consider<br />

relatively minor offenses, persistent unrepentance — after<br />

repeated, loving appeals — eventually turns a minor offense<br />

into a major one. For after awhile the real offense is no lon-<br />

ger the original offense, but the individual’s rejection of the<br />

church’s authority in the matter.<br />

Wills:<br />

The real question with the regard to church discipline<br />

is not<br />

whether the sin is known publicly. Adultery for example<br />

is just<br />

as heinous before it becomes public knowledge as after.<br />

The question is what sins should the church take particular<br />

notice<br />

of through church discipline procedures. This is not an<br />

easy question to answer, and in many cases we will not have<br />

absolute certainty regarding our duty. But surely the church<br />

must notice such sins as the Scriptures declare to be incompat-<br />

ible with our profession of faith in Christ and with fellowship in<br />

the church, as in 1 Cor 5:11; 6:9-10; Gal 5:19-21; and Eph. 5:3-5.<br />

Q: Is<br />

ecclesiology a doctrinal area that must be integrated<br />

within our overall framework of theology or is it an<br />

entirely separate issue? How do we counter the popular<br />

argument that insists, “God is not interested in how you<br />

worship (or govern your church). He is merely interested<br />

that you worship?”<br />

Moore: If that statement were true, we could dance around<br />

golden calves. God is intensely interested in both how and<br />

whom we worship. Your doctrine of the church is fundamental<br />

to what you believe about God. If you don’t have a robust doctrine<br />

of the church, it’s very difficult to understand the Trinity<br />

because the church is modeled after the Trinity. If you don’t<br />

have a strong view of the church, it’s very difficult to understand<br />

the doctrine of Christ when Jesus says that He is united<br />

to His church as a head to a body. Those who say, ‘I love Jesus.<br />

I’m not interested in the church,’ are very similar to a husband<br />

who would say to his wife, ‘I love you. It’s your body I can’t<br />

stand.’ That’s not an option for Christians. For me, every doctrine<br />

has to be understood through the grid of the church.<br />

Orrick: Ecclesiology must be integrated within our overall framework<br />

of theology because ecclesiology drastically affects our<br />

understanding and practice of theology. The Lord has seen fit to<br />

communicate His truth through the holy Scriptures, but it is the<br />

church that has been charged with the task of proclaiming the<br />

truth of Scripture to believers and to the world. The medium<br />

through which something is communicated affects the message<br />

of what is communicated. C.S. Lewis observed, “Every ideal of<br />

style dictates not only how we should say things but what sort<br />

of things we may say.” The second commandment (“no graven<br />

images”) does not address the issue of whom we are to worship<br />

— that is covered in the first commandment. The second commandment<br />

addresses the issue of how we are to worship the one<br />

true God. Why? Because how we worship affects our understanding<br />

of the one whom we worship. The same thing may be asserted<br />

with respect to church government.<br />

Whitney: Ecclesiology should matter to us because the biblical<br />

passages which speak of it show us that ecclesiology matters to<br />

God.<br />

In John 4:24 Jesus said that those who worship the Father<br />

“must worship in spirit and truth.” Both aspects are equally<br />

important. Acceptable worship is not only from the heart, but<br />

it must also be offered according to the truth of Scripture.<br />

<strong>Southern</strong> <strong>Seminary</strong> Magazine | Fall 2007 page 5

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