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‘[Counterpart of BA/B/P/211/1.] By John Derman (chaplain) and John Revell (of Coventry, passenger) to John Lee (hosier) and William Charlton, both of Coventry, of (a) a tenement outside Gosford Bridge, lying between one once John Pykeryng''s and (on the south) a lane leading to the street to the field formerly David Corby's, extending east from the lane aforesaid to Holy Trinity Guild land beneath a tenement sometime belonging to J. Pykeryng', Henry Weston', Richard Corby and Thomas Doughty; (b) three cottages in the same Gosford Street, lying between the abbot of Coombe's tenement and Nicholas Dodenhall's heirs', extending from the street as far as Simon Baker's land; (c) two Gosford Street cottages, lying between S. Baker's tenement and Trinity Guild land, extending from the street to Baker's land; (d) a Cook Street cottage, lying between St. John Baptist's Hospital's tenement and one once Thomas Hamond's, extending from the street to the city ditch; and (e) a croft on the western side of Hasilwode with the entrance as far as a stream [torrentem], extending from the prior's land to John Waldegrave's field. [Former reference: 9 Henry VI/5.]’ The Coventry Leet Book records that a Johannes Ryvell was taxed on property in ‘Erll Strete’ in 1424 (1s-8d), 1429 (3s-4d) and 1434 (6d), and was otherwise recorded there in 1425 (as a mercer), 1427 (a member of the Council of 48), 1429 (contributing to the ransom for John Talbot, Earl of Shrewsbury), 1430 and 1431 (contributing to a gift to the Duke of Gloucester). 192 The levels of tax paid indicate that he was by no means the most wealthy inhabitant of Erle Street. Similarly, a Richard Revell (Ryvell) is listed for Earl Street in 1424 (1s-0d), 1430 (1s-8d) and 1434 (2s-0d). His identity is not certain, but he must have been born no later than ca 1404, and is plausibly Richare son of Joan Revell and Geoffrey de Edmescote, see below. Because it is clear from earlier records that at least John Revell and his wife Alicia had arrived in Coventry before 1409, as had a Cecilia Revell, it is surprising that no Revells are recorded as paying tax or making any other contribution to the life of the City in the period 1420 to 1424. It is possible that they had not yet achieved sufficient prominence or perhaps were abroad, although in that case presumably their attorney would have made a payment for them. The record of tax paid in 1434 is the last of these records for Revells. Ther are none in 1435, 1439, 1444 or 1449, suggesting that either these Revells had all died, or that at least some had moved away. The connections with Ireland make it possible that some of these gaps in records arise because these Revells were overseas. It is also possible that John Revell married first in Ireland. A Belgrave family is well documented in Coventry and several are listed as members of the Trinity Guild of Coventry. These are ‘Petrus Belgraue de London et Alicia’ on page 54, ‘Robertus Belgraue, Willelmus et Alicia, Pater et mater eius’ on page 61, ‘Willelmus Belgraue et Margeria’ on page 92 and ‘Willelmus Belgraue, junior, et Johanna’ on page 97 are listed as members of the Trinity Guild of Coventry. Entries for ‘Petrus’ occupy pages 53 and 54, for ‘Robertus’ pages 54 to 70 and for ‘Willelmus’ occupy pages 90 to 100. As explained above, the records cover the period 1340 (when the Guild was formed) to ca 1450, and that for any given forename the entries are in chronological order, 193 but it is not possible to date them precisely from this list, although clearly the William Belgrave married to Johanna must have been entered well towards 1450. A William Belgrave was bailiff in 1403 and mayor in 1410, 194 and master of the guild of the Holy Trinity in 1412, 195 and must have been born no later than 1383, and probably somewhat earlier to have been elected by his peers to a position of authority in 1403. The younger William Belgrave might well be his son and the individual resident Erll Street in the period 1424 to 1434 and recorded as late as 1437. Johanna Belgrave his wife might well be the former Joan Ryvell the widow of John Ryvell. The date of Joan’s second marriage is uncertain but Joan Belgrave was widowed again by 1443. 196 At some date in the period 1432 to 1443 William Belgrave of Coventry and his wife Joan, formerly the wife of John Ryvell, hold property described as ‘Messuages in Derby, late of William Fasemon, deceased’. 197 The exact location of the property is uncertain, but this record is in a section removed from those dealing with Shirland and Ogston, and is probably in Derby itself. — see also Part 4. Joan Revell daughter of William of Bukkeby and Ellen, Extant ?–1354–1385–1408–1411–1424 ? As indicated above, William Revell of Bukkeby and Ellen also had a daughter Joan Revell who married Geoffrey (Reynald) de Edmundscote, and they had a son Richard. Joan Revell’s date of birth is not known but unless her father married twice, it must predate her mother’s death in 1354. Even if her father did marry twice, records that Joan Revell was married by 1385 establish that she was born no later than ca 1364. Edmundscote has numerous spellings and corresponds to Emscote in Milverton, Warwickshire. 190 BA/B/P/211/1 http://www.coventrycollections.org/collections/?id=COVHC_BA_B_16_211_1&title=Grant+in+Fee 191 PA468/5/3/20/56 http://www.coventrycollections.org/collections/?id=COVHC_PA468_5_3_20_56&title=Demise 192 ‘The Coventry Leet Book’ http://www.archive.org/stream/coventryleetboo00unkngoog#page/n57/mode/1up 193 The Guild of Holy Trinity http://www.archive.org/stream/publicationsdugd13dugduoft#page/n17/mode/2up 194 PA22 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=144-pa14&cid=18&kw=william%20belgrave#18 195 http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~shakespeare/warks/harvard_deeds.htm 196 C 1/9/111 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=- 2404438&CATLN=7&Highlight=%2CJOHN%2CPOERS&accessmethod=0 197 C 1/1514/1 http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/catalogue/displaycataloguedetails.asp?CATID=-2474811&CATLN=7&accessmethod=5 25/06/2012 20 Comments, corrections and additions to Rotherham Web [rotherweb@blueyonder.co.uk]
Joan and her son Richard were known variously as Ryvelle, Revell, Reynald and Reynolds. The adoption of the woman’s maiden name as surname has been discussed in ‘A Dictionary of English Surnames’ which records ‘Richard son of Geoffrey Reynald of Edmascote otherwise called Richard Ryvelle, otherwise Richard son of Joan daughter of William Ryvell 198, 199 1408’. In 1393 Joan Revell and her husband and father are identified in a grant, as follows: ‘Counterpart of grant by Geoffrey de Edmundscote and Joan his wife, daughter and heir of William Revell, to Thomas de Chambre of Kenilleworth, of Roger Palmer their bondman of their manor of Bucby; to have and to hold the said Roger with all his issue (sequela) begotten and to be begotten, with all their chattels and goods moveable and immoveable within Bucby and without, wherever found, to him the said Thomas his heirs and assigns for the term of the life of the said Geoffrey &c. Witnesses:—Henry Gentelman and others (named). Edmundescote, the feast of Ad Vincula of St. Peter, 16 Richard II. Seal’ John Watson advises that ‘A bondman was a male serf (or slave). Roger Palmer and his children are the subject of this transaction. Geoffrey de Edmundscote is giving (or selling?) Roger Palmer, his family and all his goods and chattels to Thomas de Chambre for the term of Geoffrey's life’. 200 This record describing Joan as ‘daughter and heir of William Revell’ implies that William Revell has died. Matt Tompkins advises that: 201 ‘You couldn't be someone's heir till they had died, so in the vast majority of cases a reference to someone as X's heir meant X was dead. Technically a daughter could not be her father's heir if her brother was still living, but people did use the term a little loosely (for example, to mean someone was not technically the heir, but who had been left an asset by some other means than common law inheritance – e.g. by a bequest in a will, or via a settlement or trust), so I wouldn't set too much store by it’. There are other records, one of which is earlier, that clearly refer to this Joan Revell and / or her husband but which do not identify her father unequivocally. For example, on January 20 th 1384 / 5 Geoffrey and Joan Reynold grant a tenement consisting of ‘1 messuage, 100 acres of land, 10 acres of meadow and 30 acres of pasture in Buckeby’ to ‘Ralph Bassett of Drayton, knight’ that reverts to Geoffrey and Joan and the heirs of Joan on Ralph’s death. 202 In 1393 it is recorded in the Patent Rolls, ‘Pardon to Geoffrey Reynold of Edmescote for aiding and afterwards harbouring his servant John Salesbury, who killed William Smyth of Hovyngham at Hovyngham on Monday after the feast of the Invention of the Crossing’. 203 In 1395 the Fine Rolls record ‘Geoffrey Reynold of Edmundiscote and Joan his wife, deforcients’ with regard to ‘1 messuage, 1 carucate of land, 8 acres of meadow and 3 acres of pasture in Ryngelthorp'. 204 Ryngelthorp has various spellings and corresponds to Goldsmith Grange in Scalford, and is possibly (part of) the property held in dower by Elizabeth Daneys, widow of Roland Daneys, in 1375 and surrendered to William son of Robert of Buckeby, and held previously by William of Newbold — see Part 1 and Table 1b. Geoffrey Reynald of Bucby, his wife Joan and their bondman Roger Palmer are named in a deed dated 1397, as follows: 205 ‘Indenture being the defeasance of a bond in 40 marks wherein Geoffrey Reynald, William Ferrour and John Joey, all of Bucby, were bound to Warin Lucien, knight, viz. that whereas the said Geoffrey and Joan his wife in right of her lands in Bucby, claimed the body of Roger Palmer of the same as their bondman; if they, before Easter next, released all their claim against the said Roger and his issue and paid him 100s. at Midsummer and 10 marks 6s. 8d. on the feast of All Hallows following; then the said Warin granted that the said writing obligatory should be void. Sunday after the Invention of the Holy Cross, 20 Richard II. Seal’. The Patent Rolls for November 21 st 1397 record: 206 ‘Geoffrey Reygnold of Emescote co. Warwick for not appearing to answer John Gamelyn, parson of Shathewell, co. Leicester, and Robert Lary, parson of Relegh, co. Bedford,touching a debt of 40 marks. co. Bedford’. 198 A History of the County of Warwick Volume 6 http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=57119 199 A Dictionary of English Surnames http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fPoujUPs3hYC&pg=RA1-PA68&lpg=RA1- PA68&dq=%22william+brun%22&source=web&ots=RVl_QDV36m&sig=dbk2- Z30lUDwzspBRtEK4oQaeGo&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result#PPA1232,M1 200 https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/soc.genealogy.medieval/50H0b9iKGfw 201 Personal Communication 202 Feet of Fines CP 25/1/178/87 http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_178_87.shtml 203 Patent Rolls http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/r2v5/body/Richard2vol5page0342.pdf 204 Feet of Fines CP 25/1/126/70 http://www.medievalgenealogy.org.uk/fines/abstracts/CP_25_1_126_70.shtml 205 A. 9158 http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64406 206 Patent Rolls http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/r2v6/body/Richard2vol6page0300.pdf 25/06/2012 21 Comments, corrections and additions to Rotherham Web [rotherweb@blueyonder.co.uk]
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