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Robert Revell of Bukkeby, first son of William Revell of Newbold. Extant 1270–1286–1314–1340–? Although his date of birth is uncertain, as the elder son of William of Newbold, Robert Revell of Bukkeby must have been born ca 1270. However, the earliest unequivocal reference to this Robert Revell is dated only to the reign of Edward II, i.e.1307–1327, as follows: ‘Grant by William Revel of Fenni Neubold, to Robert Revel his son, in tail, of his manor of Bukkeby, with all his lands &c. in Bukkeby, with remainder to John Revel, Robert's brother, and reversion to the grantor’. 117 For all William Revell, his father, is so strongly associated with Newbold Revell it is interesting to note that his elder son and heir is given the property in Northamptonshire longer associated with the family. This grant was probably dated ca 1316, the date at which a similar grant was made by William of Newbold to his younger son, John Revell — see above. Humphery-Smith referring to Robert Revell’s Inquisition Post Mortem asserts that Robert was born 1287 but does not provide proof, and this seems to be a case of misidentifying his father, as discussed in Part 1. BHOL records that Robert Revell, or Ryvell, married Alice the daughter of Joan de Wappenbury, and thus he inherited one third of the manor of Wappenbury, 118 but as discussed in Part 1, this is almost certainly not the case. This Robert Revell’s wife has not been identified. These erroneous statements reflect the fact that this Robert Revell is very poorly documented compared with his younger brother, but almost certainly he is the individual named on June 3 rd 1319 in an ‘oyer and terminer’ along with his brother John Revell , 119 as discussed above. There is a risk of Robert Revell, son of William, being confused early in his life with Robert of Tiffield, son of Hugh, who lived to at least 1280 but was dead by 1294, see Part 1, and later in his life with a rather nebulous Robert Revell, brother to Roger Revell associated with Watford, Northamptonshire, which location has been confused with the better known Watford, Hertfordshire. In 1324 there is an entry in Quorndon Records that ‘Robert Revel acknowledges he owes the King £20, to be levied in default of payment of his lands and chattels in co. Leycester’, 120 and the Close Rolls establish that in 1328 / 9 his land in Leicestershire and Rutland was confiscated, because of his involvement in Henry, earl of Lancaster's rebellion against Mortimer and Isabella, 121 and 122, 123 at least the land in Leicestershire reinstated after payment of a fine of £20. A Robert Ryvell is named in the Close Rolls in 1340 / 41 as a witness to a document that refers to land at Minsterton and Pulteneye, 124 and is probably this individual. Pulteneye is a lost village of Leicestershire. There is an important but potentially confusing ‘ancient deed’ dated 1314, as follows: 125 ‘Grant by Roger Rivel of Watford, to Robert [Rivel] his brother, for his life, of a cottage in Watford, and land there, part at Coppedemor, and part on Crosfurlong’, that BHOL ascribes tentatively to Watford in Hertfordshire. In fact reference in the grant to ‘Coppedmor’ establishes that this property is at Watford in Northamptonshire, approximately two miles north-west of Long Buckby. There is no evidence that William of Newbold had a son Roger Revell and therefore this cannot be referring to Robert Revell, son of William of Newbold. This Roger Revell is discussed below, but see also Part 1 and Table 1b. An obscure Roger Revell of Watford, brother of Robert, ?–1284–1304–1333–? Possibly associated with an obscure Thomas Revell Roger is not a forename commonly found amongst the Revells and they tend to be obscure individuals — see Part 1. The identity of this later Roger Revell is far from clear, but he and his brother are unequivocally referred to in an Ancient Deed dated 1314, as follows: 126 ‘Grant by Roger Rivel of Watford, to Robert [Rivel] his brother, for his life, of a cottage in Watford, and land there, part at Coppedemor, and part on Crosfurlong’, that BHOL ascribes tentatively to Watford in Hertfordshire. In fact reference in the grant to ‘Coppedmor’ establishes that this property is at Watford in Northamptonshire, approximately two miles north-west of 117 A4787 http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64326 118 BHOL http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=57139 119 Patent Rolls http://sdrc.lib.uiowa.edu/patentrolls/e2v3/body/Edward2vol3page0370.pdf 120 Quorndon Records http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924029786179/cu31924029786179_djvu.txt 121 Close Rolls http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2FFHMedieval2&CISOPTR=49052&REC=0&CISOBOX=revel* 122 http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2FFHMedieval2&CISOPTR=49052&REC=0&CISOBOX=revel* 123 Quorndon Records http://www.archive.org/stream/cu31924029786179#page/n107/mode/2up 124 Close Rolls http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=/FHMedieval2&CISOPTR=51560&CISOSHOW=51189 125 A. 6624. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64381 126 A. 6624. http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=64381 25/06/2012 12 Comments, corrections and additions to Rotherham Web [rotherweb@blueyonder.co.uk]
Long Buckby. Conceivably this Robert Revell might be the son of William of Newbold, but this is far from certain. There is nothing to suggest that William of Newbold had a third son. Plausibly an earlier reference to this Roger Revell is in the ‘Estate Book of Henry de Bray’ of Harleston, Northamptonshire, where a Roger de Ryvylle is described in 1304 as an attorney for William Russell, 127 suggesting that this Roger was born not later than ca 1284. Harlestone is some six miles south-west of Watford, Northamptonshire. The only other Revell recorded in connection with Watford is an obscure Thomas Revell who is also associated with a Robert Revell, both of whom are recorded in the Patent Rolls dated 1280, as follows: ‘Appointment of Nicholas de Stapleton and Elias de Bekingham to take the assise of novel disseisin arraigned by Henry Crete [Grete] against Robert Ryuel and Thomas Ryuel, touching a tenement in Bukkeby’. 128 He is probably the Thomas Revell who is recorded in the Close Rolls as holding land of Eustace de Watford (of Watford, Northamptonshire) by free service in 1276, 129 and Thomas must have been born no later than ca 1256. The associated Robert Revell must have been born no later than ca 1260 and therefore cannot be Robert the son of William of Newbold, and it is tentatively suggested that he is Robert Revell of Tiffield son of Hugh living in 1280 but dead by 1294 — see Part 1 and Table 1b — but clearly, Robert Revell of Tiffield who was dead by 1294 cannot be the brother of Roger Revell extant 1314. The reference to a ‘tenement in Bukkeby’ is possibly significant. The earliest of the Revells associated with Buckeby is Richard son of William de Hoxendona ca 1220 discussed in Part 1 and thought to be Richard Revell son of Sheriff Richard. The next is the obscure Roger Revell recorded in 1235 / 6 who is followed in 1242 by a Robert Revell thought to be Robert of Tiffield son of Hugh, then in 1280 by the obscure Thomas Revell in association with Robert Revell, and by 1299 is in the hands of William of Newbold. The descent of the property, plus the two occurrences of the forename Roger, tends to suggest that these Revells are quite closely connected. That said, it is difficult to explain the descent from Richard Revell son of Sheriff Richard to a branch that must be fairly distant, that from Andrew of Bengeo to William of Newbold, and that must raise a question, as discussed in Part 1, as to whether or not that Richard Revell son of Sheriff Richard and Richard Revell the son (or son-in-law) of William of Hoxendona, are the same individual. Probably it is the same Roger Revell who is referred to in a demise dated October 26 th 1329, as follows: 130 ‘By Roger Revel, lord of Little Newnham, and his wife Joan to Ralph le Draper of Coventry of a field in Newnham [Paddox] called Theumanmedou from 28 Oct 1329 for ten years for a certain sum’. On October 13 th 1332 a final concord reads: ‘Final concord made at Westminster before William de Herle [Chief Justice of the Common Pleas], in which Roger Ryvel and Joan, his wife, plaintiffs, acknowledge the right of Richard de Kyrkeby, chaplain, defendant, to the manor of Newnham Paddox (Newenham juxta Kirkeby Monachorum), Warwickshire, in return for which they receive from him a life grant of two parts of the same manor, the future succession to their property being also specified’. 131 According to BHOL, quoting Feet of Fines, Roger Ryvel was the chief taxpayer at Newnham Paddox in 1332, but the precise identity of Joan is unclear. BHOL states that in 1333, Julian the widow of Philip de Newnham, held in dower one third of the Manor of Newnham and that the reversion of this third was settled on a Philip de Newnham and his wife Alice, in tail. This Philip is thought to be a grandson of the elder Philip. BHOL goes on to say ‘At the same time Roger Ryvel and Joan his wife settled the other two-thirds of the manor on themselves for their lives, and then to Philip and Alice in tail. (fn. 49) In each case there were contingent remainders to Philip's brother Robert de Newnham (probably a clerk) for life, and then to his brother John in tail, or to their sisters Joan and Mariot in tail, or to the right heirs of Joan wife of Roger Ryvel, who must have been daughter of the elder and mother of the younger Philip. (fn. 50)’. 132 If the foregoing statement is correct, then either Joan married twice, with Roger Revel her second husband, or their son Philip took his mother’s name. Dugdale in ‘Antiquities of Warwickshire’ shows Joan de Newnham, the heir of Philip and Julian, as 127 The Estate Book of Henry de Bray http://www.archive.org/stream/estatebookofhenr00brayrich#page/104/mode/2up 128 Patent Rolls page 65 http://ia600104.us.archive.org//load_djvu_applet.php?file=10/items/annualreportdep01offigoog/annualreportdep01offigoog.djvu 129 Close Rolls pages 327, 328, 329 & 331 http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm4/document.php?CISOROOT=%2FFHMedieval2&CISOPTR=64503&REC=0&CISOBOX=rynel 130 BA/H/8/466/3 Coventry Archives http://www.coventrycollections.org/collections/?id=COVHC_BA_H_8_466_3&title=Demise 131 WARD 2/56/197/4 http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C4456830 132 A History of the County of Warwick Volume 6 http://www.britishhistory.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=57122&strquery=%22Philip%20de%20Newnham%22 25/06/2012 13 Comments, corrections and additions to Rotherham Web [rotherweb@blueyonder.co.uk]
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