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CHOMSKY ON ANARCHISM<br />

employees who were simply organized al<strong>on</strong>g industrial lines as another branch<br />

of industry. That's perfectly possible, and it should be or could be a barrier<br />

against the creati<strong>on</strong> of the kind of remote coercive bureaucracy that anarchists<br />

of course fear.<br />

If you "'ppose that there would c<strong>on</strong>tinue to be a need for selfdeftme, <strong>on</strong><br />

quite a sophisticated level, 1 d<strong>on</strong>'t see from your descripti<strong>on</strong> how you would<br />

achieve effective c<strong>on</strong>trol of this system of part-time representative councils at<br />

various levels from the bottom up, over an organizati<strong>on</strong> as powerfit! and as<br />

necessarily technically sophisticated as, for example, the Pentag<strong>on</strong>.<br />

Well, first we should be a little dearer about terminology. You refer to the<br />

Pentag<strong>on</strong>, as is usually d<strong>on</strong>e, as a defense organizati<strong>on</strong>. In 1947, when the<br />

Nati<strong>on</strong>al Defense Act was passed, the former War Department-the American<br />

department c<strong>on</strong>cerned with war which up to that time was called h<strong>on</strong>estly the<br />

War Department-had its name changed to the Defense Department. I was a<br />

student then and didn't think I was very sophisticated, but I knew and every<strong>on</strong>e<br />

knew that this meant that to whatever extent the American military had<br />

been involved in defense in the past-and partially it had been so-this was<br />

now over: since it was being called the Defense Department, that meant it was<br />

going to be a department of aggressi<strong>on</strong>, nothing else.<br />

On the principle of never believe anything until its officially denied.<br />

Right. Sort of <strong>on</strong> the assumpti<strong>on</strong> that Orwell essemially had captured the<br />

nature of the modern state. And that's exactly the case. I mean the Pentag<strong>on</strong> is<br />

in no sense a defense department. It has never defended the United States from<br />

any<strong>on</strong>e: it has <strong>on</strong>ly served to c<strong>on</strong>duct aggressi<strong>on</strong>, and I think that the<br />

American people would be much bener off without a Pentag<strong>on</strong>. They certainly<br />

d<strong>on</strong>'t need it for defense. Its interventi<strong>on</strong> in internati<strong>on</strong>al affairs has never<br />

been-well, you know, never is a str<strong>on</strong>g word, but I think you would be hard<br />

put to find a case-certainly it has not been its characteristic pose to suppOrt<br />

freedom or liberty or to defend people and so <strong>on</strong>. That's nor the role of the<br />

massive military organizati<strong>on</strong> that is c<strong>on</strong>trolled by the Defense Department.<br />

Rather its tasks are two-both quite antisocial.<br />

The first is to preserve an imernati<strong>on</strong>al system in which what are called<br />

American interests, which primarily means business inrerests, can flourish.<br />

And sec<strong>on</strong>dly, it has an imernal ec<strong>on</strong>omic task. I mean the Pemag<strong>on</strong> has been<br />

the primary Keynesian mechanism whereby the government intervenes to<br />

maintain what is ludicrously called the health of the ec<strong>on</strong>omy by inducing producti<strong>on</strong>-that<br />

means producti<strong>on</strong> of waste.<br />

Now both these functi<strong>on</strong>s serve certain interests, in fact dominant interests,<br />

dominant class interests in American society. Bur I d<strong>on</strong>'t think in any sense<br />

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