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1591 Easter Adjournment 26 MARCH 2013 Easter Adjournment 1592 [Jeremy Lefroy] There is a squeeze on emergency and acute tariffs that started under the previous Government. I have raised this issue before and I will continue to do so, because unless it is addressed it will eventually result in dangerously low levels of emergency and acute cover in parts of the UK. It cannot be sensible for trusts that deal in elective work to pile up surpluses while many acute trusts, on which we all depend, struggle to cope with mounting deficits. It would be nice to believe that all hospital admissions could be elective—that all work could be programmed to fit into an ordered day—but life is not like that, especially when we have large numbers of people living longer, which I welcome, and then becoming ill suddenly with acute, complex conditions. That is why I firmly believe, as do most of my constituents, that acute district general hospitals have an important role to play. Indeed, if they did not exist, we would probably decide to create them, precisely because they are the best place for the initial treatment of the elderly with complex, acute conditions, who could be close to home and to their loved ones. We do of course need to learn the lesson of Mid Staffordshire and other places. Such district general hospitals are usually too small to sustain many of the specialist rotas that are needed, but the solution is not, as is proposed for Stafford, to cram all serious emergency and acute cases into already overstretched neighbours; it is to work closely with those neighbouring trusts—even become part of them—and thus enable clinicians to work across neighbouring sites. This solution has the merit of combining the benefits of scale with providing care close to patients. I met Monitor two weeks ago, and I welcome the assurance I was given by the chief executive, Dr David Bennett, that the trust special administrator, shortly to be appointed, will consider options other than those recommended, which are wholly inadequate. Monitor has the chance to show how smaller, acute general hospitals can not only survive but prosper under the wing of a larger trust. If it does that, it will have done the NHS and our country a great service. 7.19 pm Mark Pawsey (Rugby) (Con): It is a pleasure to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Stafford (Jeremy Lefroy), who speaks with such authority on health matters in his constituency. Having set up and run a business for 25 years before entering this place, I am always keen to meet businesses in my constituency. Some 18 months ago I arranged to meet a retailer with a new business called Smoke No Smoke, run by the very entrepreneurial Jim Lacey. The business sells e-cigarettes. On my visit I learnt about the product. Its customers are often people seeking to give up smoking, who have come to include a member of my staff. It was through his contacts and visits to the shop that I became aware of a potential EU directive that is a particular concern to the sector. The directive could bring the business to an end and affect many people who are trying to stop smoking. Most smokers know that smoking is bad for their health. Many have wanted to quit, but quit rates are extremely low, with only 3% to 5% of people trying to quit managing to do so. Many have turned to e-cigarettes as a substitute. E-cigarettes consist of an electronic inhaler that vaporises a liquid into an aerosol mist, simulating the act of tobacco smoking. E-cigarettes are the same size and shape as cigarettes. They are held in the same way and treated as cigarettes. The difference is that while cigarette smokers smoke for the nicotine but die from the tars and gases released by the burning of tobacco, e-cigarettes deliver nicotine in an aerosol form but, crucially, without the hazards that accompany tobacco smoking. There are, of course, other ways of getting nicotine, such as patches, gum and lozenges, and nicotine is not harmless. However, Action on Smoking and Health states that there is little real-world evidence of harm from e-cigarettes. There are some trace toxicants present, but at a much lower level than in cigarettes. A recent article in The Economist sums up the position very well: “People smoke because they value the pleasure they get from nicotine in tobacco over the long-term certainty that their health will be damaged. So it seems rational to welcome a device that separates the dangerous part of smoking (the tar, carbon monoxide and smoke…) from the nicotine. And that is what an e-cigarette does.” The article finishes by asking rhetorically, “Who could object?” It seems the EU can object, because it is introducing a draft tobacco products directive, which proposes to regulate non-tobacco nicotine-containing products, including e-cigarettes, by classifying the vast majority of these products as medicines. Every product with more than 4 mg of nicotine per millilitre would have to be reclassified. E-cigarettes come in a range of concentrations, from zero—that is, nicotine-free—up to 48 mg per ml, with the average user choosing about 18 mg per ml. Choosing 4 mg per ml would mean a de facto ban on such products. E-cigarettes are not medicines; they are recreational nicotine products. However, I do not want Members present or the Government to take my word for it about the benefits of this product. Let us take my constituent, Mr Preston. He and his wife started using e-cigarettes 12 months ago. Previously he smoked 30 a day and his wife smoked 20 a day. They had tried all cessation methods available on the market, none of which worked. Since starting to use e-cigarettes, neither has smoked a conventional cigarette. Mr Preston estimates they have saved up to £400 a month alone. He is 65 years old and tells me that he now wakes up each morning without a heavy chest and an immediate cough. He describes it as “no longer waking up with that ‘bottom of the birdcage’ feeling”. Another user said: “After 32 years of being a smoker I love my e-cigarette and never want to try having a cigarette again! Am on day 50 now, the longest I’ve ever managed”. Although I am not proclaiming that e-cigarettes are a positively healthy alternative to conventional smoking, I believe that the removal of the hazardous tar from cigarettes, while still providing the nicotine that smokers look for, means the product should be studied closely and be saved from the forthcoming EU directive. 7.23 pm John Hemming (Birmingham, Yardley) (LD): I refer the House to my declaration of interest as the chairman of the Justice for Families campaign.

1593 Easter Adjournment 26 MARCH 2013 Easter Adjournment 1594 I remain concerned about cases in all the secret courts in the UK. The more secret the court, the more the system acts against the rule of law. Narrow freedoms of speech are at least as important as broad access to publicity—reporting wrongdoing to regulators and asking for advice are important narrow freedoms. Without academic scrutiny, nonsense can be spouted and experts can lie for money with impunity. Care proceedings are an area of difficulty. I remain of the view that around 1,000 children a year are wrongly forcibly adopted in the UK. Gradually, I am getting more Government support in this area—sadly, still not from the UK Government. Last week I spoke at the Polish embassy, at a conference about care proceedings. Concerns have now also been raised by Nigeria, the Czech Republic, Bulgaria, Latvia, Zimbabwe, Sri Lanka, Spain and Turkey. For the avoidance of doubt, my concern is that a material proportion of care proceedings go way beyond being plainly wrong and hit the threshold of “totally nuts”. I must stress, however, that I see the appointment of Sir James Mumby as president of the family division as a positive step. I also welcome judgments such as [2013] EWHC 521 (Fam) of Mostyn J. When the right hon. Member for Kirkcaldy and Cowdenbeath (Mr Brown) apologised to the children who were forcibly sent to the Commonwealth, I asked what confidence he had that such an apology would not be issued in the future for what we are doing today. His response was to ask me to send details of individual cases. I have, of course, sent many individual cases to UK Ministers. The standard response is “It’s nothing to do with us, guv”. The fact is that, according to our constitution, the UK Government must publicly accept judicial decisions, although in practice they often criticise them—except in the family division. More recently, Australia has apologised for forced adoption. The question was put by Florence Bellone to Professor Eileen Munro about whether in the future we may see an apology in the UK. Her response was: “I would not be surprised if a future generation looks back and thinks how horrific the quality of our work was and the damage that we did to families.” What we have developed—this is mainly through a mathematical error in the use of the number of children in care for the denominator of the adoption target—is a care system that is obsessed with adoption. It is so obsessed with adoption that it does things that objectively have to seen to be irrational. I will not go into the details of Angela Wileman’s case, as I have referred to it before and I do not have time. I was pleased to hear that the arrest warrant was removed from Susan McCabe, the daughter of Councillor Janet Mockridge, who has been living in France with her two children for over five years. The attempts to remove her son for adoption in England, whilst leaving her daughter, gave the message of a system more concerned about winning than about the best interests of the child. In another recent case, I read a note about the effect of the proposal for a child to be adopted out of her family. The report said: “Since being told about the adoption, A’s mood has changed, she is clearly concerned and upset by this move, which perhaps is to be expected. However, she has nightmares most nights and is not getting adequate sleep, two weekends ago she vomited 5 times in one night.” This case is not unique. There are even international cases where the system has taken children from people visiting the UK and refused to give them back, even though the system clearly does not have jurisdiction. That is damaging to the children, and I am prevented by the sub judice rule from giving more information here. The international cases are particularly interesting as the assessments in England can be compared against assessments from professionals in other countries. Professionals in other countries wonder why such strange things are done—things that cause serious psychological damage to children in the UK. Working with Slovak politicians, I have managed to establish an inquiry by the Human Rights Commissioner in the Council of Europe. However, it remains the case that a problem that arises basically in secret courts is constitutionally difficult to fix, because it needs scrutiny to fix it. There is an additional challenge in that the people affected who are UK citizens are generally poorer people and less articulate. Hence, although stories about people who are foreign citizens maltreated in the UK get substantial coverage in the foreign media, there are only a few journalists such as Sue Reid, Christopher Booker and Ted Jeory who are willing to report on these cases. The speech of Denise Robertson, “This Morning’s” agony aunt, at the justice for families conference in Birmingham last December should be broadcast on TV to explain the truth. What we actually have is a failure of democracy. In the same way as the cover-up over Hillsborough and the failures at the Mid Staffordshire hospital, we have a system that is going wrong in a large number of cases and maltreating families. In maltreating families, it is maltreating the children and the adults. It is reasonably well known that this is going on. However, the Government deny it. The inquiries that occur in Parliament do not look at the individual cases. Without looking at the individual cases, we cannot see the things that are going wrong. Inquiries such as the family justice review are dominated by the people who run the system, and hence are unlikely to recognise the failures of the system. I put forward proposals in my private Member’s Bill, but it was squeezed out by the Government, who have still not explained why in detail. I have had a conversation with the Minister with responsibility for children, but I have no hopes from that. I have very little time left. I would like to give a much fuller speech, as a lot more needs to be said, but I will end by saying Happy Easter. 7.28 pm Justin Tomlinson (North Swindon) (Con): I rise to talk about the work I have been doing to try to encourage more people to take up being young entrepreneurs. When I went to university, I was one of 350 students at Oxford Brookes university studying business, but I was the only one who went on to set up my own business. With entrepreneurial flair, risk-taking and perhaps a touch of madness being drummed out of everybody else as they went on to their very successful corporate careers, I went off to set up my own business. When I visit local schools and colleges and talk predominantly to business students asking whether they would consider setting up their own business, all their hands go up, probably inspired by TV programmes such as “The Apprentice” and “Dragon’s Den”,

1591 Easter Adjournment<br />

26 MARCH 2013 Easter Adjournment<br />

1592<br />

[Jeremy Lefroy]<br />

There is a squeeze on emergency and acute tariffs<br />

that started under the previous Government. I have<br />

raised this issue before and I will continue to do so,<br />

because unless it is addressed it will eventually result in<br />

dangerously low levels of emergency and acute cover in<br />

parts of the UK. It cannot be sensible for trusts that<br />

deal in elective work to pile up surpluses while many<br />

acute trusts, on which we all depend, struggle to cope<br />

with mounting deficits.<br />

It would be nice to believe that all hospital admissions<br />

could be elective—that all work could be programmed<br />

to fit into an ordered day—but life is not like that,<br />

especially when we have large numbers of people living<br />

longer, which I welcome, and then becoming ill suddenly<br />

with acute, complex conditions. That is why I firmly<br />

believe, as do most of my constituents, that acute district<br />

general hospitals have an important role to play. Indeed,<br />

if they did not exist, we would probably decide to create<br />

them, precisely because they are the best place for the<br />

initial treatment of the elderly with complex, acute<br />

conditions, who could be close to home and to their<br />

loved ones.<br />

We do of course need to learn the lesson of Mid<br />

Staffordshire and other places. Such district general<br />

hospitals are usually too small to sustain many of the<br />

specialist rotas that are needed, but the solution is not,<br />

as is proposed for Stafford, to cram all serious emergency<br />

and acute cases into already overstretched neighbours;<br />

it is to work closely with those neighbouring trusts—even<br />

become part of them—and thus enable clinicians to<br />

work across neighbouring sites. This solution has the<br />

merit of combining the benefits of scale with providing<br />

care close to patients.<br />

I met Monitor two weeks ago, and I welcome the<br />

assurance I was given by the chief executive, Dr David<br />

Bennett, that the trust special administrator, shortly to<br />

be appointed, will consider options other than those<br />

recommended, which are wholly inadequate. Monitor<br />

has the chance to show how smaller, acute general<br />

hospitals can not only survive but prosper under the<br />

wing of a larger trust. If it does that, it will have done<br />

the NHS and our country a great service.<br />

7.19 pm<br />

Mark Pawsey (Rugby) (Con): It is a pleasure to<br />

follow my hon. Friend the Member for Stafford (Jeremy<br />

Lefroy), who speaks with such authority on health<br />

matters in his constituency.<br />

Having set up and run a business for 25 years before<br />

entering this place, I am always keen to meet businesses<br />

in my constituency. Some 18 months ago I arranged to<br />

meet a retailer with a new business called Smoke No<br />

Smoke, run by the very entrepreneurial Jim Lacey. The<br />

business sells e-cigarettes. On my visit I learnt about the<br />

product. Its customers are often people seeking to give<br />

up smoking, who have come to include a member of my<br />

staff. It was through his contacts and visits to the shop<br />

that I became aware of a potential EU directive that is a<br />

particular concern to the sector. The directive could<br />

bring the business to an end and affect many people<br />

who are trying to stop smoking.<br />

Most smokers know that smoking is bad for their<br />

health. Many have wanted to quit, but quit rates are<br />

extremely low, with only 3% to 5% of people trying to<br />

quit managing to do so. Many have turned to e-cigarettes<br />

as a substitute. E-cigarettes consist of an electronic<br />

inhaler that vaporises a liquid into an aerosol mist,<br />

simulating the act of tobacco smoking. E-cigarettes are<br />

the same size and shape as cigarettes. They are held in<br />

the same way and treated as cigarettes. The difference is<br />

that while cigarette smokers smoke for the nicotine but<br />

die from the tars and gases released by the burning of<br />

tobacco, e-cigarettes deliver nicotine in an aerosol form<br />

but, crucially, without the hazards that accompany<br />

tobacco smoking. There are, of course, other ways of<br />

getting nicotine, such as patches, gum and lozenges, and<br />

nicotine is not harmless. However, Action on Smoking<br />

and Health states that there is little real-world evidence<br />

of harm from e-cigarettes. There are some trace toxicants<br />

present, but at a much lower level than in cigarettes.<br />

A recent article in The Economist sums up the position<br />

very well:<br />

“People smoke because they value the pleasure they get from<br />

nicotine in tobacco over the long-term certainty that their health<br />

will be damaged. So it seems rational to welcome a device that<br />

separates the dangerous part of smoking (the tar, carbon monoxide<br />

and smoke…) from the nicotine. And that is what an e-cigarette<br />

does.”<br />

The article finishes by asking rhetorically, “Who could<br />

object?” It seems the EU can object, because it is<br />

introducing a draft tobacco products directive, which<br />

proposes to regulate non-tobacco nicotine-containing<br />

products, including e-cigarettes, by classifying the vast<br />

majority of these products as medicines. Every product<br />

with more than 4 mg of nicotine per millilitre would<br />

have to be reclassified. E-cigarettes come in a range of<br />

concentrations, from zero—that is, nicotine-free—up to<br />

48 mg per ml, with the average user choosing about<br />

18 mg per ml. Choosing 4 mg per ml would mean a de<br />

facto ban on such products. E-cigarettes are not medicines;<br />

they are recreational nicotine products.<br />

However, I do not want Members present or the<br />

Government to take my word for it about the benefits of<br />

this product. Let us take my constituent, Mr Preston.<br />

He and his wife started using e-cigarettes 12 months<br />

ago. Previously he smoked 30 a day and his wife smoked<br />

20 a day. They had tried all cessation methods available<br />

on the market, none of which worked. Since starting to<br />

use e-cigarettes, neither has smoked a conventional<br />

cigarette. Mr Preston estimates they have saved up to<br />

£400 a month alone. He is 65 years old and tells me that<br />

he now wakes up each morning without a heavy chest<br />

and an immediate cough. He describes it as<br />

“no longer waking up with that ‘bottom of the birdcage’ feeling”.<br />

Another user said:<br />

“After 32 years of being a smoker I love my e-cigarette and<br />

never want to try having a cigarette again! Am on day 50 now, the<br />

longest I’ve ever managed”.<br />

Although I am not proclaiming that e-cigarettes are a<br />

positively healthy alternative to conventional smoking,<br />

I believe that the removal of the hazardous tar from<br />

cigarettes, while still providing the nicotine that smokers<br />

look for, means the product should be studied closely<br />

and be saved from the forthcoming EU directive.<br />

7.23 pm<br />

John Hemming (Birmingham, Yardley) (LD): I refer<br />

the House to my declaration of interest as the chairman<br />

of the Justice for Families campaign.

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