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1511 26 MARCH 2013 Points of Order 1512 Points of Order 2.39 pm Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab): On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I apologise for standing pre-emptively earlier on. I was so excited by the number of statements and was wondering where the missing one was. Ash dieback is the biggest tree disease to hit this country since Dutch elm, and it has spread to 427 sites around the UK. We welcome today’s publication of the Chalara management plan, but it is available only on the Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs website. The Government have briefed the press about the publication of the plan but have not informed the House about it, despite undertaking to present it to the House. I ask for your advice once again, Mr Speaker, on how the House can hold the Executive to account when they fail to deliver on what they have promised, which on this occasion was to bring the Chalara management plan that deals with ash dieback to the House for its consideration? Instead, it is only out there for the press and on the DEFRA website. Mr Speaker: I am sorry to learn of what the hon. Gentleman has described in his point of order. What I would say to him is twofold. First, the Deputy Leader of the House is present on the Treasury Bench and will have heard the point that he has made. Secondly, there will be an opportunity in the upcoming general debate before the Adjournment for Members to raise this matter if they so wish. No other obvious remedies are available today, but if the hon. Gentleman wishes to have recourse to the Order Paper via the Table Office, I feel sure that he will do so. Mr Gareth Thomas (Harrow West) (Lab/Co-op): On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I tabled a round robin question on 4 December last year asking how many computers, mobile telephones, BlackBerrys and other pieces of IT equipment had been lost or stolen in 2010-11 and 2011-12. I have received answers from every Department apart from the Cabinet Office. It was due to answer on 6 December. I chased an answer on 16 January and expected an answer on 21 January. I raised the matter at business questions on 7 February and the Leader of the House very kindly promised to endeavour to get me an answer. I still have not received an answer. What other options are available to me to try to hold this overbearing Executive to account? Mr Speaker: The hon. Gentleman has just deployed one of the options, which is to air the matter on the Floor of the House in the presence and earshot of the Deputy Leader of the House. He has described a regrettable sequence of events. He and other Members know that, from the Chair, I attach great importance to timely and substantive replies to questions to Ministers. In this case, such a reply has clearly not been forthcoming. I hope that that point will speedily be communicated to the Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster General, the right hon. Member for Horsham (Mr Maude). He or a member of his team should furnish the hon. Gentleman with the information that is required sooner rather than later. Paul Flynn (Newport West) (Lab): On a point of order, Mr Speaker. This is the third point of order about Members trying to bring the Executive to account. There were stories in this morning’s paper that, contrary to the coalition agreement, large subsidies will be paid to the nuclear industry. There is a motion after the ten-minute rule Bill entitled “Financial Assistance to Industry” on which there can be no debate. On making inquiries, I found out that the matter was discussed upstairs. The information available to me is only that the sum is up to £20 million. I can find no details on whether that money will go to the nuclear industry. Is it appropriate that this matter should come before us if it is not possible for Members to discover what precisely it is about or to air our objection that it is anti-democratic and contrary to the coalition agreement? Mr Speaker: During the next 10 minutes while the ten-minute rule motion is discussed, the hon. Gentleman may wish to avail himself of the opportunity to read the verbatim text of the debate on that matter in Standing Committee. If that does not satisfy him—I am not an optimist in these matters so far as the hon. Gentleman is concerned—he may wish to return to the matter. Whether it was a Standing Committee of which one needed to be a member to contribute, I do not know. If he was not a member of the Committee, I am saddened for him. I cannot offer any compensation for him today, but knowing the hon. Gentleman, he will return to this matter just as predictably as a dog to his bone. We will hear from him on these matters ere long. I know that that is not satisfactory, but that is the best that I can offer him on this, the last day before the Easter recess. If there are no further points of order, we come now to the ten-minute rule motion. This is the hon. Gentleman’s opportunity to do his reading.

1513 26 MARCH 2013 UK Elected Representatives 1514 (Disclosure of Party Membership) UK Elected Representatives (Disclosure of Party Membership) Motion for leave to bring in a Bill (Standing Order No. 23) 2.44 pm Mr David Hanson (Delyn) (Lab): I beg to move, That leave be given to bring in a Bill to require individuals standing for elected office in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland to declare any political party of which they are a member when registering to stand; and for connected purposes. The purpose of the Bill is simple. If enacted, it would mean that citizens who stand for elected office in the United Kingdom, whether in the European Parliament, the House of Commons, the Welsh Assembly, the Scottish Parliament or a county, district, town or community council, would have to declare any registered political party membership that they hold at the time that they submit their nomination papers. The Bill would apply to all of us. Those like myself and the many hon. Members in the Chamber today who are open about their political party membership will have no problem with the Bill. It will confirm to electors what they already know about us as candidates. Those who are genuinely independent of party membership, such as yourself, Mr Speaker, will equally have no problem with the Bill, because they too will be declaring what the public already know. The Bill is aimed at greater transparency for those who stand under the banner of an independent, but who are allied to a political party to the extent that they are a member of it. The genesis of the Bill goes back some time. When I was first elected to my local council—amazingly, it was 30 years ago in May—I noticed that a genial independent councillor who was elected in a very Tory ward always voted and spoke with Labour. When I asked him about it, he confessed that he was a member of the Labour party, but that he stood as an independent as he would “never have been elected as Labour”. I did not think that that was fair then and I do not think that it is fair now. Democracy is surely about people knowing what they are voting for, as far as is practicable. My interest in this issue was rekindled last year during the police and crime commissioner elections, particularly in my area of north Wales. A number of candidates stood for the post, including Labour, Conservative, UK Independence party and independent candidates. One of the independent candidates for the post was Winston Roddick QC. He was the successful candidate and is now operating as the police commissioner for north Wales. May I say at this point that I wish him well in that post and hope that he does a good job? My concerns are solely about transparency in the election. I knew of Mr Roddick before he became an independent candidate. He was a well respected senior civil servant in the Welsh Assembly and had twice been a Liberal parliamentary candidate. He was and still is a member of the Liberal Democrats, and yet he put himself forward under the banner of an independent before 500,000 voters in north Wales. That point was raised during the election, but it did not receive a high profile—nor, dare I say it, did the election itself. He received 25,175 votes on the first ballot on a turnout of less than 15% and 36,688 votes on the second and final ballot, and was elected. Interestingly, by comparison, the Liberal Democrats have never received more than 18,000 votes for the north Wales region in the four Assembly elections, which have had much bigger turnouts. Indeed, in 2011, they got just 11,000 votes on a 40% turnout, compared with Mr Roddick’s 25,000 votes when he stood as an independent. I contend, therefore that not having a party label helped his cause. The feedback afterwards included a tweet from a constituent of mine, which said: “I voted for Winston Roddick thinking he was independent and it now turns out he’s a liberal.” In that case, the winner has said that he will not take the whip. However, my contention is that it is very strange and a little unnerving that a fully paid-up party member can stand as an independent without resigning their membership and not be open about the values that they hold. Mr Roddick says that he was open about his candidature. In that case, I hope that he will support the aims of the Bill. What happened in north Wales is not unique. In the police and crime commissioner election in Devon and Cornwall, a former chairman of the Devon and Cornwall police authority and head of the Liberal Democrat group on the Association of Police Authorities stood as an independent. Again, there might be good reasons for that—dare I say it, but the public might not want to vote for a Liberal Democrat—but the point is that the individual was a member of the Liberal Democrats. Indeed, I checked the website today, and he is still the leader of the Liberal Democrats on his local council, having not stood as an independent in that election. The situation in the City of London corporation is the same, with most current councillors sitting as independents, despite being members of political parties. Only last week, an election was held for it, and although some candidates stood with party labels, many stood as independents, even though they had party cards in their back pockets. One independent winner is an officeholder of the City of London Conservative association. It could be worse. I do not think any of us would be comfortable with the idea of members of parties such as the British National party and others being able to stand as independents and have people vote for them as independents in good faith. In my own constituency in 2004, an individual was elected as an independent, but two years later, when the BNP’s membership was leaked, it turned out that he was a member. I am sure that the voters who put faith in him then might not have done so had they known his party allegiance. Across the country there will very shortly be elections where people will be standing as party members, but also as independents, and it is important that we have clarity and transparency on those issues. For those who worry about the potential infringement of civil liberties, let me be clear about what the Bill does not do. It does not prevent anyone from standing for election or from calling themselves an independent. It does not even prevent people from standing as independent despite being party members. It will, however, inject transparency into the system, so that no one can ever stand again as an independent, be in a party and not declare it. There is nothing wrong with being an independent councillor or MP. It is not my choice, but there is nothing wrong with it. It is deeply worrying, however, that people can stand as independent, despite having a party membership card in their back pocket. It presents

1511 26 MARCH 2013 Points of Order<br />

1512<br />

Points of Order<br />

2.39 pm<br />

Huw Irranca-Davies (Ogmore) (Lab): On a point of<br />

order, Mr Speaker. I apologise for standing pre-emptively<br />

earlier on. I was so excited by the number of statements<br />

and was wondering where the missing one was. Ash<br />

dieback is the biggest tree disease to hit this country<br />

since Dutch elm, and it has spread to 427 sites around<br />

the UK. We welcome today’s publication of the Chalara<br />

management plan, but it is available only on the Department<br />

for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs website. The<br />

Government have briefed the press about the publication<br />

of the plan but have not informed the House about it,<br />

despite undertaking to present it to the House. I ask for<br />

your advice once again, Mr Speaker, on how the House<br />

can hold the Executive to account when they fail to<br />

deliver on what they have promised, which on this<br />

occasion was to bring the Chalara management plan<br />

that deals with ash dieback to the House for its<br />

consideration? Instead, it is only out there for the press<br />

and on the DEFRA website.<br />

Mr Speaker: I am sorry to learn of what the hon.<br />

Gentleman has described in his point of order. What I<br />

would say to him is twofold. First, the Deputy Leader<br />

of the House is present on the Treasury Bench and will<br />

have heard the point that he has made. Secondly, there<br />

will be an opportunity in the upcoming general debate<br />

before the Adjournment for Members to raise this<br />

matter if they so wish. No other obvious remedies are<br />

available today, but if the hon. Gentleman wishes to<br />

have recourse to the Order Paper via the Table Office, I<br />

feel sure that he will do so.<br />

Mr Gareth Thomas (Harrow West) (Lab/Co-op): On<br />

a point of order, Mr Speaker. I tabled a round robin<br />

question on 4 December last year asking how many<br />

computers, mobile telephones, BlackBerrys and other<br />

pieces of IT equipment had been lost or stolen in<br />

2010-11 and 2011-12. I have received answers from<br />

every Department apart from the Cabinet Office. It was<br />

due to answer on 6 December. I chased an answer on<br />

16 January and expected an answer on 21 January. I<br />

raised the matter at business questions on 7 February<br />

and the Leader of the House very kindly promised to<br />

endeavour to get me an answer. I still have not received<br />

an answer. What other options are available to me to try<br />

to hold this overbearing Executive to account?<br />

Mr Speaker: The hon. Gentleman has just deployed<br />

one of the options, which is to air the matter on the<br />

Floor of the House in the presence and earshot of the<br />

Deputy Leader of the House. He has described a regrettable<br />

sequence of events. He and other Members know that, from<br />

the Chair, I attach great importance to timely and<br />

substantive replies to questions to Ministers. In this<br />

case, such a reply has clearly not been forthcoming. I<br />

hope that that point will speedily be communicated to<br />

the Minister for the Cabinet Office and Paymaster<br />

General, the right hon. Member for Horsham (Mr Maude).<br />

He or a member of his team should furnish the hon.<br />

Gentleman with the information that is required sooner<br />

rather than later.<br />

Paul Flynn (Newport West) (Lab): On a point of<br />

order, Mr Speaker. This is the third point of order<br />

about Members trying to bring the Executive to account.<br />

There were stories in this morning’s paper that, contrary<br />

to the coalition agreement, large subsidies will be paid<br />

to the nuclear industry. There is a motion after the<br />

ten-minute rule Bill entitled “Financial Assistance to<br />

Industry” on which there can be no debate. On making<br />

inquiries, I found out that the matter was discussed<br />

upstairs. The information available to me is only that<br />

the sum is up to £20 million. I can find no details on<br />

whether that money will go to the nuclear industry. Is it<br />

appropriate that this matter should come before us if<br />

it is not possible for Members to discover what precisely<br />

it is about or to air our objection that it is anti-democratic<br />

and contrary to the coalition agreement?<br />

Mr Speaker: During the next 10 minutes while the<br />

ten-minute rule motion is discussed, the hon. Gentleman<br />

may wish to avail himself of the opportunity to read the<br />

verbatim text of the debate on that matter in Standing<br />

Committee. If that does not satisfy him—I am not an<br />

optimist in these matters so far as the hon. Gentleman<br />

is concerned—he may wish to return to the matter.<br />

Whether it was a Standing Committee of which one<br />

needed to be a member to contribute, I do not know. If<br />

he was not a member of the Committee, I am saddened<br />

for him. I cannot offer any compensation for him today,<br />

but knowing the hon. Gentleman, he will return to this<br />

matter just as predictably as a dog to his bone. We will<br />

hear from him on these matters ere long. I know that<br />

that is not satisfactory, but that is the best that I can<br />

offer him on this, the last day before the Easter recess. If<br />

there are no further points of order, we come now to the<br />

ten-minute rule motion. This is the hon. Gentleman’s<br />

opportunity to do his reading.

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