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71 Marine and Coastal Access Bill 26 OCTOBER 2009 Marine and Coastal Access Bill 72 [Lords] [Lords] [Huw Irranca-Davies] policy guidance recognises the importance of protecting and enhancing the character and landscape of undeveloped coastline and supports the provision of public access to the coast as a basic principle. However, where a coastal location is necessary for development—for example, to provide essential energy infrastructure—and access is not compatible with the development, it will be in no one’s interests for the coastal route to be given undue weight in the decision. The flexible way in which the legislation will work will help to ensure that that is not the case. Turning to the second reason cited in the amendment for requiring Natural England to undertake a review of a report, those with a relevant interest in land may already make an application to the relevant authority for exclusions or restrictions of access under sections 24 and 25 of the CROW Act. They must also be consulted when the relevant authority is considering revoking or varying a direction made on application under sections 24 or 25. When the relevant authority does not act in accordance with such an application or a representation, there is already a right of appeal to the Secretary of State under section 30 of the Act. In many cases, the sort of developments involved will have been discussed with Natural England when the proposals for the route were drawn up. If the process and scheme of operation works as has been explained, the issue will be picked up, and a contact will be available. In other cases, the normal routes to contact Natural England—via website, post and phone—will be available. The local authority might also provide a good way of making contact, as it will often have worked on proposals for development. Given those clarifications, I hope the hon. Gentleman will consider whether he needs to press the amendment. Amendment 40, tabled by my hon. Friends the Members for Southampton, Test, for Sheffield, Hillsborough and for High Peak (Tom Levitt), would require the Secretary of State to lay a report before Parliament within two years of the commencement of part 9 of the Act, with particular regard to the progress made on four issues—the voluntary inclusion of parkland, the inclusion of the Isle of Wight in an order under clause 295, the addition of further islands reachable by ferry under the same clause and the use of seasonal ferries as part of the coastal path under clause 296. The amendment would require the Secretary of State to append proposals to remedy shortcomings in the establishment of coastal routes that are apparent to him. Let me discuss the four issues, and explain why I do not consider the amendment to be necessary. First, as I made clear in Committee, I recognise that the issue of parks and gardens is important for many people—it was raised during pre-legislative scrutiny of the Bill and again during the Bill’s passage in the other place. I have listened to the different arguments put forward. On the one hand, an individual’s property rights and privacy should be protected—there has never been any withdrawal from that point of principle—and we want to make sure that the balance is right in that regard. On the other hand, the exception for parks and gardens could result in significant detours, not least where there are extensive parklands on the coast. We have said that we do not intend to change the category of excepted land in schedule 1 to the CROW Act, which covers parks or gardens, under which there would be no right of access to such land. There was cross-party support in Committee for our approach, in which, as I made clear, Natural England will seek to reach voluntary agreements with landowners to enable a route to be created through a park, where necessary, to provide continuity of access and to avoid a significant inland diversion. Hon. Members have related their experiences of being diverted miles inland to a route that certainly could not be defined as a coastal walk. I have asked Natural England to try to secure access along the route by voluntary means, and in particular through the dedication of land for public access under the CROW Act provisions. The system that I have set out should be given a trial, which should investigate how great the problems are and how evident the good will of landowners and occupiers of parks is. Subsequent to our debate in Committee, individual landowners or representative bodies whom I have met have been clear that they are expected to deliver on that undertaking in a voluntary way. I recently met the coastal access forum, which includes representatives from a number of organisations such as the CLA and the Historic Houses Association, and they assured me, and have subsequently written, that they will work constructively with Natural England in such cases where parks abut the coast. However, it will be important that Parliament monitors the effectiveness of the voluntary approach proposed. Natural England has therefore been tasked to keep the matter under review. We have already said that Natural England will report to Parliament on progress of the implementation of the route after 10 years. In addition, as I promised in Committee, I have asked it to undertake an earlier interim review and to report to Parliament specifically on issues that have arisen as a result of parks being excepted land, and on the success of any voluntary agreements to ensure public access along the route through parks. Although it is not a requirement in the Bill, we have asked that that report should take place within five years of Royal Assent. I also made it clear in Committee that the Secretary of State could amend the exception for parks and gardens if satisfactory progress is not made and significant issues remain. That would be subject to the affirmative procedure; it would not require primary legislation, but it would need to be approved by a resolution of both Houses of Parliament. Let me make it clear that my proposals do not represent a pendulum, or an axe, swinging over landowners. Let me also say, however, that in Committee and in the changes that we have made to the Bill we have made clear our intention to open access—where we can—to some of the coastal gems that could be described as the jam in the doughnut. I believe that there is a willingness to do that, but I also believe that we must all work collectively, in the House and outside, to ensure that it is done. 6.30 pm We have already made a commitment, in Committee, to take steps to include the Isle of Wight in an order which will be subject to consultation: the legislation will not be rammed down people’s throats. Natural England will consider other islands that cannot be reached on foot—again, after local discussion and consultation. I believe it is appropriate for islands that cannot be reached on foot to be considered individually, because all our islands are singularly different from each other.

73 Marine and Coastal Access Bill 26 OCTOBER 2009 Marine and Coastal Access Bill 74 [Lords] [Lords] As for other islands that may be reached by ferry, I know that the question of whether Lundy will be included has been raised before. The island is hugely attractive and people—including me—love to go there, but access to it is limited owing to the lack of any regular ferry service. I am aware that there may be a case for including it in due course, but Natural England will need to engage in detailed discussions with the National Trust and the Landmark Trust before we reach a decision. I assure Members that I shall be happy to report back to Parliament on progress relating to the inclusion of other islands. I do not consider it necessary or appropriate to include in the Bill a requirement such as that proposed in the amendment, but I think I have made it pretty clear that we have not only provided powers in the Bill but would like access to be available—subject to consultation, as with the Isle of Wight. My hon. Friends raised the important issue of seasonal ferries. Provisions in clause 296 enable Natural England to make a proposal to the Secretary of State on any estuary. It may propose that the route should stop at the mouth of the estuary, that it should stop at any point between the mouth of an estuary and the first public foot crossing—either a bridge or a tunnel—or that it should extend as far as the first public foot crossing. In deciding on such proposals, Natural England must have regard to considerations in clause 292(2) and a number of matters set out in clause 296(4), including the existence of a ferry by which the public may cross the river. At all times when discharging the coastal access duty, Natural England must aim to strike a fair balance between the interests of the public in having rights of access over land and the interests of owners and occupiers. As I have said, Natural England will be required to undertake an extensive process of consultation with local interests as it develops its proposals. Estuaries will be an important issue for many areas. For example, the coasts of Essex and Suffolk and those of Devon and Cornwall are indented by estuaries. Natural England’s discussions with local interests—which will include land managers, local access forums, local authorities, and wildlife and other interest groups—will be a key part of its approach, and the success of the design of the access corridor. A proposal in a coastal access report relating to whether a particular estuary should be included up to the first pedestrian crossing point will be included on a case-by-case basis, and Natural England will consider that in the light of the detailed criteria in the Bill. I should make it clear, however, that we would not normally expect Natural England to stop the route at the starting point for a ferry that does not run throughout the year unless particular difficulties are involved in taking the route further upstream to the first public crossing. The Secretary of State will examine all the issues involved— including whether the use of a seasonal ferry for the route is appropriate—before making a decision on the report. Natural England will prepare its coastal access reports over the 10-year implementation period, and will state in those reports where the existence of a ferry by which the public may cross the river has been a major consideration in its decision for the coastal route in any particular estuary. As I have said, Natural England will report to Parliament on the implementation of the route after 10 years. If the Secretary of State thinks that an earlier report should be made, he or she may ask it to make one, but I do not consider it necessary or appropriate for the Bill to include such a requirement. Clause 294 requires Natural England to complete a review of the scheme within three years of its first being approved by the Secretary of State, and I would expect such a review to cover the matters that the amendment seeks to require the report to include. Given that requirement, along with the requirement for a report after five years in regard to parks and gardens and the report to Parliament after 10 years, I urge Members not to press their amendments. Amendment 37 seeks to remove clause 300, which states: “No duty of care is owed by Natural England” or anyone acting on its behalf “under the law of negligence… when preparing” or proposing the coastal route, in connection with any failure by Natural England to erect signs warning of hazards or in connection with any failure by it to restrict or exclude access. It also states: “No duty of care is owed by the Secretary of State… under the law of negligence when… approving proposals” for a coastal long-distance route or giving direction for the variation of such proposals The matter was debated extensively in the other place. As Lord Hunt of King’s Heath noted, we doubt that a court would impose such a duty of care, and the aim of clause 300 is to clarify the legal position. Let us be frank. We recognise that in places the coast is inherently dangerous, and we do not want uncertainty about the legal position to give rise to an over-cautious or nannyish approach that could result in warning signs unnecessarily dotting the landscape. That would be in no one’s interest. Ms Angela C. Smith: I entirely agree with my hon. Friend. The British Mountaineering Council has made it absolutely clear that in sports such as rock climbing and mountaineering safety is the responsibility of the individual, and risk is part of participation in such sports. I believe that that is generally the right approach. Huw Irranca-Davies: My hon. Friend is right. We do not want to wrap all outdoor activities in cotton wool. Part of the joy of experience of the outdoor environment is the risk that is inherent in, for instance, walking up a hill, along a coast or along a cliff. Those risks are part and parcel of sport, and of our development as adults or, indeed, as children. Tom Levitt (High Peak) (Lab): As my hon. Friend knows, my constituency has no coastal path but does contain a huge number of well-established mountainclimbing areas. All the risks are thoroughly understood and agreed on by landowners and climbers, and there is no reason why the same arrangements should not apply to coastal paths. Huw Irranca-Davies: Again, I entirely agree. Let me give the House an anecdote to think about. On a memorable occasion, I walked through an area that the hon. Member for Brecon and Radnorshire (Mr. Williams) will know very well: Fan Hir, that marvellous ridge where the Brecons lift up before dropping off. The next mountains to be seen are the Cambrian mountains,

71 Marine and Coastal Access Bill 26 OCTOBER 2009 Marine and Coastal Access Bill 72<br />

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policy guidance recognises the importance of protecting<br />

and enhancing the character and landscape of undeveloped<br />

coastline and supports the provision of public access to<br />

the coast as a basic principle. However, where a coastal<br />

location is necessary for development—for example, to<br />

provide essential energy infrastructure—and access is<br />

not compatible with the development, it will be in no<br />

one’s interests for the coastal route to be given undue<br />

weight in the decision. The flexible way in which the<br />

legislation will work will help to ensure that that is not<br />

the case.<br />

Turning to the second reason cited in the amendment<br />

for requiring Natural England to undertake a review of<br />

a report, those with a relevant interest in land may<br />

already make an application to the relevant authority<br />

for exclusions or restrictions of access under sections 24<br />

and 25 of the CROW Act. They must also be consulted<br />

when the relevant authority is considering revoking or<br />

varying a direction made on application under sections 24<br />

or 25. When the relevant authority does not act in<br />

accordance with such an application or a representation,<br />

there is already a right of appeal to the Secretary of<br />

State under section 30 of the Act. In many cases, the<br />

sort of developments involved will have been discussed<br />

with Natural England when the proposals for the route<br />

were drawn up. If the process and scheme of operation<br />

works as has been explained, the issue will be picked up,<br />

and a contact will be available. In other cases, the<br />

normal routes to contact Natural England—via website,<br />

post and phone—will be available. The local authority<br />

might also provide a good way of making contact, as it<br />

will often have worked on proposals for development.<br />

Given those clarifications, I hope the hon. Gentleman<br />

will consider whether he needs to press the amendment.<br />

Amendment 40, tabled by my hon. Friends the Members<br />

for Southampton, Test, for Sheffield, Hillsborough and<br />

for High Peak (Tom Levitt), would require the Secretary<br />

of State to lay a report before <strong>Parliament</strong> within<br />

two years of the commencement of part 9 of the Act,<br />

with particular regard to the progress made on four<br />

issues—the voluntary inclusion of parkland, the inclusion<br />

of the Isle of Wight in an order under clause 295, the<br />

addition of further islands reachable by ferry under the<br />

same clause and the use of seasonal ferries as part of<br />

the coastal path under clause 296. The amendment<br />

would require the Secretary of State to append proposals<br />

to remedy shortcomings in the establishment of coastal<br />

routes that are apparent to him.<br />

Let me discuss the four issues, and explain why I do<br />

not consider the amendment to be necessary. First, as I<br />

made clear in Committee, I recognise that the issue of<br />

parks and gardens is important for many people—it<br />

was raised during pre-legislative scrutiny of the Bill and<br />

again during the Bill’s passage in the other place. I have<br />

listened to the different arguments put forward. On the<br />

one hand, an individual’s property rights and privacy<br />

should be protected—there has never been any withdrawal<br />

from that point of principle—and we want to make sure<br />

that the balance is right in that regard. On the other<br />

hand, the exception for parks and gardens could result<br />

in significant detours, not least where there are extensive<br />

parklands on the coast.<br />

We have said that we do not intend to change the<br />

category of excepted land in schedule 1 to the CROW<br />

Act, which covers parks or gardens, under which there<br />

would be no right of access to such land. There was<br />

cross-party support in Committee for our approach, in<br />

which, as I made clear, Natural England will seek to<br />

reach voluntary agreements with landowners to enable<br />

a route to be created through a park, where necessary,<br />

to provide continuity of access and to avoid a significant<br />

inland diversion. Hon. Members have related their<br />

experiences of being diverted miles inland to a route<br />

that certainly could not be defined as a coastal walk.<br />

I have asked Natural England to try to secure access<br />

along the route by voluntary means, and in particular<br />

through the dedication of land for public access under<br />

the CROW Act provisions. The system that I have set<br />

out should be given a trial, which should investigate<br />

how great the problems are and how evident the good<br />

will of landowners and occupiers of parks is. Subsequent<br />

to our debate in Committee, individual landowners or<br />

representative bodies whom I have met have been clear<br />

that they are expected to deliver on that undertaking<br />

in a voluntary way. I recently met the coastal access<br />

forum, which includes representatives from a number of<br />

organisations such as the CLA and the Historic Houses<br />

Association, and they assured me, and have subsequently<br />

written, that they will work constructively with Natural<br />

England in such cases where parks abut the coast.<br />

However, it will be important that <strong>Parliament</strong> monitors<br />

the effectiveness of the voluntary approach proposed.<br />

Natural England has therefore been tasked to keep the<br />

matter under review.<br />

We have already said that Natural England will report<br />

to <strong>Parliament</strong> on progress of the implementation of the<br />

route after 10 years. In addition, as I promised in<br />

Committee, I have asked it to undertake an earlier<br />

interim review and to report to <strong>Parliament</strong> specifically<br />

on issues that have arisen as a result of parks being<br />

excepted land, and on the success of any voluntary<br />

agreements to ensure public access along the route<br />

through parks. Although it is not a requirement in the<br />

Bill, we have asked that that report should take place<br />

within five years of Royal Assent. I also made it clear in<br />

Committee that the Secretary of State could amend the<br />

exception for parks and gardens if satisfactory progress<br />

is not made and significant issues remain. That would<br />

be subject to the affirmative procedure; it would not<br />

require primary legislation, but it would need to be<br />

approved by a resolution of both Houses of <strong>Parliament</strong>.<br />

Let me make it clear that my proposals do not<br />

represent a pendulum, or an axe, swinging over landowners.<br />

Let me also say, however, that in Committee and in the<br />

changes that we have made to the Bill we have made<br />

clear our intention to open access—where we can—to<br />

some of the coastal gems that could be described as the<br />

jam in the doughnut. I believe that there is a willingness<br />

to do that, but I also believe that we must all work<br />

collectively, in the House and outside, to ensure that it<br />

is done.<br />

6.30 pm<br />

We have already made a commitment, in Committee,<br />

to take steps to include the Isle of Wight in an order<br />

which will be subject to consultation: the legislation will<br />

not be rammed down people’s throats. Natural England<br />

will consider other islands that cannot be reached on<br />

foot—again, after local discussion and consultation. I<br />

believe it is appropriate for islands that cannot be<br />

reached on foot to be considered individually, because<br />

all our islands are singularly different from each other.

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