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1751 Pollinators and Pesticides<br />

6 JUNE 2013 Pollinators and Pesticides 1752<br />

In conclusion, I have three questions for the Minister.<br />

First, I believe DEFRA has said it will commission<br />

further field research on neonicotinoids and bees. Will<br />

that research be published in a journal and be peer<br />

reviewed? Will the Minister consider commissioning the<br />

British scientists who participated in the Gill and Whitehorn<br />

studies, rather than FERA, whose previous report was<br />

discredited? Is it DEFRA policy to reject all laboratory<br />

studies—and, by extension, scientific method—as a basis<br />

for action? Secondly, how will DEFRA ensure the<br />

effective implementation of the sustainable use of pesticide<br />

directive? Thirdly, will the Minister explain what changed<br />

between the first EU vote on 15 March, when the UK<br />

abstained, to the second EU vote, on 29 April, when the<br />

UK voted against a moratorium?<br />

The UK public are concerned about bees and pollinators.<br />

When I raised this at Prime Minister’s Question Time,<br />

he stressed the importance of the precautionary principle.<br />

As we look forward to the summer, people’s minds will<br />

be on gardening and planting, and farmers’ minds will<br />

be on planting and harvesting. It is critical that we hear<br />

from the Government on how they will respond to the<br />

EU moratorium.<br />

Several hon. Members rose—<br />

Mr Deputy Speaker (Mr Lindsay Hoyle): Order. May<br />

I suggest each speaker takes around 10 minutes?<br />

3.35 pm<br />

Neil Carmichael (Stroud) (Con): It is a pleasure to<br />

speak in the debate, not least because I am a member of<br />

the Environmental Audit Committee. I thank our Chair<br />

for the excellent leadership she has provided with this<br />

report and others. She is right on the importance of<br />

establishing a broad agreement, which the Committee<br />

did in its report—we have always achieved such agreement<br />

in previous reports, too. That is a good illustration of<br />

the Committee’s effectiveness, which I hope will continue,<br />

because we will do important work on investment in the<br />

green economy, which will result in a thought-provoking<br />

and important report.<br />

I am a former farmer, so I am familiar with the<br />

pesticides argument. I was principally a livestock farmer,<br />

but I could not escape other types of farming. I fully<br />

support the report’s recommendations. It is important<br />

that we recognise that bees are essential to our environment<br />

and to successful farming. That is well illustrated by my<br />

constituency—Stroud is recognised as world bee place.<br />

We have done a huge amount of work to promote the<br />

protection of bees, including wild bees, which are also<br />

at risk. I am extraordinarily proud of my constituency’s<br />

bee protection reputation.<br />

It is important to recognise that t<strong>here</strong> are more<br />

threats to bees than pesticides. We have heard about bee<br />

starvation and bee diseases such as varroa—I hope I<br />

pronounced that correctly; as a Northumbrian, I sometimes<br />

get my vowels slightly mixed up. We also know of a<br />

variety of other threats to bees. We should recognise<br />

that the Government see the problem and are taking<br />

action with the bee protection plan. I hope the Minister<br />

outlines how extensive that plan is, because we need to<br />

demonstrate that the coalition Government are determined<br />

to protect bees.<br />

It was disappointing that the UK did not vote in<br />

favour of the moratorium on neonicotinoids, but the<br />

moratorium is in place. As our Committee Chair correctly<br />

noted, that reflects the concerns and interest the Committee<br />

has spelt out. We had a lengthy debate on the seeds<br />

supply chain, and recognised that, for any moratorium<br />

to be effective, it would have to start later than we<br />

envisaged, which is right. It is good that Europe noticed<br />

that as well. The changes our Chair outlined are extremely<br />

welcome. It is good that the Government, through the<br />

field studies we have heard about, are determined to<br />

recognise the importance of the impact of neonicotinoids.<br />

Transparency is critical. As my hon. Friend the Member<br />

for Totnes (Dr Wollaston) noted, t<strong>here</strong> are too many<br />

occasions when one wonders how much we really know<br />

about what is being discovered or being hidden, so this<br />

matter would benefit from true transparency. I urge the<br />

Minister and the Department to consider the transparency<br />

of field studies, so that we know exactly what is going<br />

on and what the tests reveal. As the Chair noted, maize<br />

in Italy did not really suffer as a result of neonicotinoids<br />

being banned, but that is just one example. Everybody<br />

would benefit from more study and a more comprehensive<br />

understanding, including pesticide manufacturers. One<br />

problem that has to be borne in mind is that banning<br />

one type of pesticide might mean that other pesticides<br />

are used in an uncontrolled way. We have to monitor<br />

the use of all pesticides, especially when withdrawing<br />

neonicotinoids, as using different pesticides might make<br />

matters considerably worse. I am sure the Government<br />

are minded to do that.<br />

On the wider question of the common agricultural<br />

policy and overall farm management, as we move towards<br />

a reformed CAP it is important to recognise good work,<br />

such as that done by the Environmental Stewardship<br />

scheme. I would like to see more farmers using such<br />

schemes, and for those schemes to become more tailored<br />

towards the kind of issue we are debating today.<br />

Dame Joan Ruddock: The hon. Gentleman speaks<br />

about further reform of the CAP. I am sure he is aware<br />

that recent reforms to the CAP have given national<br />

Governments discretion to switch subsidies to agrienvironment<br />

schemes, which could bring in much more<br />

bee-friendly habitats. Does he agree that the Government<br />

ought to be taking that step, rather than going on so<br />

much about what might be done in the future? Let us<br />

use what we have got now.<br />

Neil Carmichael: The Government are a Government<br />

of positive action. We are a coalition Government. We<br />

benefit enormously from having Conservatives on one<br />

side and Liberal Democrats on the other, and I am<br />

certain that that combination will bring about exactly<br />

what the right hon. Lady says.<br />

The right hon. Lady raises an interesting point about<br />

what amounts to the devolution of the CAP. From its<br />

inception, its impact has been characterised by either<br />

dominant nation states promoting certain types of produce,<br />

or, as in this case, by policy filtration, with different<br />

levels of government influencing outcomes by changing<br />

the nature of the policy. That was particularly prevalent<br />

in the early days in certain Mediterranean countries<br />

with regard to olives and so on. We should recognise<br />

devolution, but it is a double-edged sword. We in this<br />

country are able to do the right thing, but can we always<br />

guarantee that that will be the case in other countries<br />

that might have other priorities? I welcome those changes<br />

in the CAP, but urge the Government to do as the

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