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315WH HIV 1 DECEMBER 2010 HIV 316WH [Ms Diane Abbott] When we look at some of the indices around HIV/AIDS, we see that there has been an increase in HIV testing among gay men. Testing rose from 58% in 1997 to 72% in 2008. We have seen a plateau in new diagnoses among gay men, and we now see a consistently high rate of condom use among them—at least nine out of 10 now use condoms. The fact that we have seen such progress is partly a tribute to the people who took up the issue all those years ago. It is also a continuing tribute to the communities, activists and health providers who provide both care and commitment, and we need to acknowledge that today in this debate. However, there is still some way to go. How we go forward on HIV/AIDS will be a test of the reorganisation of both the NHS and public health that has been announced in recent months. In principle, I do not think that anyone in this Chamber is opposed to the reorganisation, but it is just this sort of issue, which is not consistent across the country, that is not necessarily well represented in GPs’ lists and has different levels of information across the country; there may not be as much information in rural areas as there is in Brighton and London. That will be a test of the reorganisation’s effectiveness. We know that AIDS can affect anyone, and that apart from the gay community the largest community affected by HIV/AIDS is that made up of black African men and women; currently, 38% of new HIV diagnosis is among that group. The stigma attached to HIV in that community cannot be overstated, and it very much hampers efforts to reach out to people and achieve early diagnosis. The problem among black African men and women— and among other groups, as well—is that they present late and are therefore diagnosed late. That not only gives them a poor prognosis; it means that the cost of treatment is much more expensive than it need be. That is true of any individual or any group that presents late. Another issue with black African men is that even though they may be having sex with men, they refuse to consider themselves as gay. They think that HIV is something for the gay community and not for them, so they end up presenting very late indeed. They are more likely to be undiagnosed and to live in areas in which a relatively high proportion of the population are not on their GP’s list, so they are not really interacting with the authorities. I should like to use this debate to stress the importance of educational and informative work generally and with the black and African community in particular. We must do more with the Churches, because that is probably the most effective way to reach those groups. Any Sunday morning, there will more people in African-led churches in Hackney than at any political party meetings for 12 months of the year. We need to normalise testing and offer it in a much wider range of settings—not just for black and African men and women, but for the population as a whole. I was routinely tested when I had my son 19 years ago and thought nothing of it. We need to make testing more routine so that people do not think, “If I go for this test, it will badge me as someone at risk.” Universal testing may well be a step too far, but we need to make testing available in a wider range of contexts. My hon. Friend the Member for Inverclyde said that he did not want to talk about international issues, but given that 38% of new HIV diagnosis is among black African men and women, I do not apologise for raising the issue of funds for the Global Fund to fight AIDS, Tuberculosis and Malaria. I know that that is not a matter for the Minister and I do not expect her to respond on the specific point. None the less, will she pass on to her colleagues the very concerning fact that the global fund is £13 billion short of what it needs? If the UK was to raise its pledged amount in line with France and other western European countries, the fund would be able to go to private sector donors such as the Gates Foundation and reach the amount of money it needs. In that context, I should like to mention—again, I do not expect the Minister to respond on this point—that in the next few weeks we will have EU trade talks with India in Brussels. There is a great concern that as a consequence of the trade talks, India might not be able to produce the cheap generic drugs that have played such a huge role in the fight against AIDS in Africa. That would be a blow not so much for Indian industry, but for the millions of people in Africa who have benefited from access to cheap generic drugs. HIV/AIDS is no longer a death sentence, which is good news. Thanks to new drugs, research and greater understanding, people are now living with HIV. As one of my hon. Friends said earlier, we have 65,390 people in the community living with HIV. In fact, it is increasing faster among the over-50s than among any other group, which raises new issues that were not considered in the era of the adverts with the crashing tombstones and the voice from above. My hon. Friend the Member for Ealing, Southall (Mr Sharma) mentioned the issue of depression and how that interconnects with sufferers of HIV/AIDS and the support that they need in relation to that. There are ongoing concerns about care and support that were not an issue 20 years ago. If we are to offer sufferers from HIV/AIDS equity of health care and, as far as possible, a good quality of life, we must consider care and support, within the new health service and local authority structures, as we have not in the past. As I said at the start of my remarks, the reorganisation of the commissioning of health care and of the public health service will be tested by this issue. Many ordinary people on the ground will judge the reorganisation by how issues such as this are dealt with. I stress, as my hon. Friends have stressed, the importance of a national strategy. We need to consider how it can go forward under the new arrangements. Will the Minister tell us who will be responsible for commissioning and funding the information work that is needed now more than ever—in particular, the specific education work that goes into the communities that I have mentioned? Who will be responsible for commissioning preventive work, care, treatment and support? I will listen with interest to the Minister’s responses to those questions. I welcome the new public health arrangements in principle. Public health has been a core activity of local government since the 19th century and so, as a former local councillor, I am glad that public health has “come home” to local authorities. However, because I know
317WH HIV 1 DECEMBER 2010 HIV 318WH local authorities and how they work, I want to be convinced that it is possible effectively to ring-fence the public health funds that they will receive. I imagine that what some local authorities will do—or will be tempted to do, conceiving themselves to be under financial pressure—is to rebadge existing work in the areas of social care and environmental health as public health expenditure, and the new funds that all of us in Westminster Hall imagine are there for public health will melt away in the current climate. So this will be a test, as much as anything else, of how far it is possible effectively to ring-fence public health funds once they fall to local authorities. Then there is GP commissioning, and the issue of HIV/AIDS will be a test of that system. The important thing with GP commissioning is that GPs should commission for their community and not for their list. As an east end Member of Parliament, I know that there are many public health issues that manifest themselves more extensively among people who are not actually on GPs’ lists, for a whole number of reasons. Tuberculosis is a case in point. A disproportionately high number of people who suffer from TB are not on a GP’s list, for a number of reasons. HIV will be a test of the extent to which GP commissioning consortia will commission for the community as a whole and not just for the people who are on GPs’ lists and present themselves for treatment. It will be important to know what will happen to some of the survey work that is carried out by organisations such as the London Health Observatory; I had a meeting with representatives of that organisation this morning. That survey work is the only way of seeing what the trends are in issues such as HIV. It is easy for us to say this afternoon that 43% of HIV/AIDS sufferers are in London, many more are in Brighton and so on. However, we live in a globalised environment and there are trends and changes. Only survey work—not only national survey work, but sometimes precise survey work—can track what is really happening with HIV/AIDS. Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP): I understand that some of the figures that have been released in the past year for those who have just been diagnosed with HIV show that it is not just a young person’s disease any more; it also affects those who are 50-plus or 55-plus. I wonder whether the hon. Lady is aware of that. If she is, what does she feel should be done to address that issue of those in an older age bracket who are now succumbing to the disease? Ms Abbott: That is an important point, and it is one that I touched on earlier. It shows that anyone can find themselves— 3.42 pm Sitting suspended for a Division in the House. 3.51 pm On resuming— Ms Abbott: In conclusion, I congratulate all those who have campaigned, worked and raised consciousness on this issue over 20-odd years. Improvements have been made, partly through the efforts of communities and campaigners and partly through the commitment of people in the House, but we face new challenges due to the reorganisation of the NHS and the fact that a generation of people are now living with AIDS. I look to the Minister to answer some of the questions asked in this debate, particularly about how the reorganisation will affect the treatment of HIV/AIDS, and to reassure us that the information needed in a range of communities will be publicised. I will listen with interest to her response. 3.52 pm The Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for Health (Anne Milton): It is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship, Mr Leigh; I do not believe that I have been in this position before. I am grateful to the hon. Member for Inverclyde (David Cairns) for securing this debate. I congratulate him on his chairmanship of the all-party parliamentary group on HIV and AIDS, and I congratulate the group itself on continuing to raise awareness in Parliament, in the UK and internationally. Today, as we all know, is world AIDS day, so this debate is timely; I believe that Mr Speaker has some influence over when debates occur. It is an opportunity to reflect on what we have achieved, where we stand and the challenges ahead, many of which have been mentioned. I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Pudsey (Stuart Andrew) for his gracious comment that this is a chance for us to pay tribute to those whom we have lost along the way to the present improvements in life expectancy for those with HIV/AIDS. A dear friend, Eric, with whom I worked in the 1980s, died from AIDS; I am sure that many of us know people who lost their lives. It is so tragic when we consider the advances made. The hon. Member for Inverclyde focused on the situation in the UK. The hon. Member for Hackney North and Stoke Newington (Ms Abbott) mentioned the global situation. It is important to note that the number of new infections decreased by 19% between 2009 and 2001. Today, more than 5 million people have access to life-saving antiretrovirals. That is more than a thirteenfold increase in five years, but significant challenges remain. More than 33 million people are living with HIV, 2.1 million children are infected and the World Health Organisation estimates that at least 10 million people still need treatment. There is a great deal more to be done, and no room for complacency. I would like to mention my noble Friend Lord Fowler, and welcome the announcement of next year’s inquiry into HIV and AIDS. Like the hon. Member for Inverclyde, I am old enough to remember when the disease came on the scene. A great friend of mine, a professor of virology who went over to the States, came back and said that it was extraordinary to see an acquired deficiency, as the disease’s name suggests. He talked about a curious illness that people were getting. At that time, a tremendous amount of work was being done by many people, not least my noble Friend, to fight HIV/AIDS. It is still a powerful model for public health campaigns; we cannot forget those tombstones. Such images enabled a lot of the preventive work from which we still benefit. I reassure the hon. Member for Inverclyde that mass communication had an effect. The rate of sexually transmitted diseases decreased across the board. However, he also mentioned targeted messages, which is where we need to focus our efforts.
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local authorities and how they work, I want to be<br />
convinced that it is possible effectively to ring-fence the<br />
public health funds that they will receive.<br />
I imagine that what some local authorities will do—or<br />
will be tempted to do, conceiving themselves to be<br />
under financial pressure—is to rebadge existing work in<br />
the areas of social care and environmental health as<br />
public health expenditure, and the new funds that all of<br />
us in Westminster Hall imagine are t<strong>here</strong> for public<br />
health will melt away in the current climate. So this will<br />
be a test, as much as anything else, of how far it is<br />
possible effectively to ring-fence public health funds<br />
once they fall to local authorities.<br />
Then t<strong>here</strong> is GP commissioning, and the issue of<br />
HIV/AIDS will be a test of that system. The important<br />
thing with GP commissioning is that GPs should<br />
commission for their community and not for their list.<br />
As an east end Member of <strong>Parliament</strong>, I know that<br />
t<strong>here</strong> are many public health issues that manifest themselves<br />
more extensively among people who are not actually on<br />
GPs’ lists, for a whole number of reasons. Tuberculosis<br />
is a case in point. A disproportionately high number of<br />
people who suffer from TB are not on a GP’s list, for a<br />
number of reasons. HIV will be a test of the extent to<br />
which GP commissioning consortia will commission for<br />
the community as a whole and not just for the people<br />
who are on GPs’ lists and present themselves for treatment.<br />
It will be important to know what will happen to<br />
some of the survey work that is carried out by organisations<br />
such as the London Health Observatory; I had a meeting<br />
with representatives of that organisation this morning.<br />
That survey work is the only way of seeing what the<br />
trends are in issues such as HIV. It is easy for us to say<br />
this afternoon that 43% of HIV/AIDS sufferers are in<br />
London, many more are in Brighton and so on. However,<br />
we live in a globalised environment and t<strong>here</strong> are trends<br />
and changes. Only survey work—not only national<br />
survey work, but sometimes precise survey work—can<br />
track what is really happening with HIV/AIDS.<br />
Jim Shannon (Strangford) (DUP): I understand that<br />
some of the figures that have been released in the past<br />
year for those who have just been diagnosed with HIV<br />
show that it is not just a young person’s disease any<br />
more; it also affects those who are 50-plus or 55-plus. I<br />
wonder whether the hon. Lady is aware of that. If she<br />
is, what does she feel should be done to address that<br />
issue of those in an older age bracket who are now<br />
succumbing to the disease?<br />
Ms Abbott: That is an important point, and it is one<br />
that I touched on earlier. It shows that anyone can find<br />
themselves—<br />
3.42 pm<br />
Sitting suspended for a Division in the House.<br />
3.51 pm<br />
On resuming—<br />
Ms Abbott: In conclusion, I congratulate all those<br />
who have campaigned, worked and raised consciousness<br />
on this issue over 20-odd years. Improvements have<br />
been made, partly through the efforts of communities<br />
and campaigners and partly through the commitment<br />
of people in the House, but we face new challenges due<br />
to the reorganisation of the NHS and the fact that a<br />
generation of people are now living with AIDS.<br />
I look to the Minister to answer some of the questions<br />
asked in this debate, particularly about how the<br />
reorganisation will affect the treatment of HIV/AIDS,<br />
and to reassure us that the information needed in a<br />
range of communities will be publicised. I will listen<br />
with interest to her response.<br />
3.52 pm<br />
The <strong>Parliament</strong>ary Under-Secretary of State for Health<br />
(Anne Milton): It is a pleasure to serve under your<br />
chairmanship, Mr Leigh; I do not believe that I have<br />
been in this position before. I am grateful to the hon.<br />
Member for Inverclyde (David Cairns) for securing this<br />
debate. I congratulate him on his chairmanship of the<br />
all-party parliamentary group on HIV and AIDS, and I<br />
congratulate the group itself on continuing to raise<br />
awareness in <strong>Parliament</strong>, in the UK and internationally.<br />
Today, as we all know, is world AIDS day, so this<br />
debate is timely; I believe that Mr Speaker has some<br />
influence over when debates occur. It is an opportunity<br />
to reflect on what we have achieved, w<strong>here</strong> we stand and<br />
the challenges ahead, many of which have been mentioned.<br />
I thank my hon. Friend the Member for Pudsey (Stuart<br />
Andrew) for his gracious comment that this is a chance<br />
for us to pay tribute to those whom we have lost along<br />
the way to the present improvements in life expectancy<br />
for those with HIV/AIDS. A dear friend, Eric, with<br />
whom I worked in the 1980s, died from AIDS; I am sure<br />
that many of us know people who lost their lives. It is so<br />
tragic when we consider the advances made.<br />
The hon. Member for Inverclyde focused on the<br />
situation in the UK. The hon. Member for Hackney<br />
North and Stoke Newington (Ms Abbott) mentioned<br />
the global situation. It is important to note that the<br />
number of new infections decreased by 19% between<br />
2009 and 2001. Today, more than 5 million people have<br />
access to life-saving antiretrovirals. That is more than a<br />
thirteenfold increase in five years, but significant challenges<br />
remain. More than 33 million people are living with<br />
HIV, 2.1 million children are infected and the World<br />
Health Organisation estimates that at least 10 million<br />
people still need treatment. T<strong>here</strong> is a great deal more to<br />
be done, and no room for complacency.<br />
I would like to mention my noble Friend Lord Fowler,<br />
and welcome the announcement of next year’s inquiry<br />
into HIV and AIDS. Like the hon. Member for Inverclyde,<br />
I am old enough to remember when the disease came on<br />
the scene. A great friend of mine, a professor of virology<br />
who went over to the States, came back and said that it<br />
was extraordinary to see an acquired deficiency, as the<br />
disease’s name suggests. He talked about a curious<br />
illness that people were getting.<br />
At that time, a tremendous amount of work was<br />
being done by many people, not least my noble Friend,<br />
to fight HIV/AIDS. It is still a powerful model for<br />
public health campaigns; we cannot forget those<br />
tombstones. Such images enabled a lot of the preventive<br />
work from which we still benefit. I reassure the hon.<br />
Member for Inverclyde that mass communication had<br />
an effect. The rate of sexually transmitted diseases<br />
decreased across the board. However, he also mentioned<br />
targeted messages, which is w<strong>here</strong> we need to focus<br />
our efforts.