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923 National Policy Statements 1 DECEMBER 2010 National Policy Statements 924 [Sarah Newton] the anticipated volumes of electricity that can be generated locally to be fed into the grid. I believe that the NPS will help to tackle that wholly unsatisfactory situation. Although I understand the Government’s reasons for feeling that there is no urgency about including technologies such as wave and tide in the NPS until large-scale commercially viable schemes have been developed, I urge the Minister to keep them in mind for the next round and subsequent revisions and, in the meantime, to do all he can to support that sector of renewable energy generation and to keep a watching brief on how the Marine Management Organisation handles its responsibilities. He will not be surprised to hear a similar plea from me for deep geothermal energy generation, which has the potential to contribute 5% of the UK’s electricity. That technology, which is tried and tested in other countries—often developed by UK engineers—is yet to receive the support it deserves from Government in this country. With my hon. Friend’s assistance, I hope to reverse that. Given the scale of the challenge ahead, it is vital that NPS is capable of being revised and updated, so that, as we learn more about new and emerging technologies and develop an evidence base for their capacity to deliver energy into the grid and to contribute to the Government’s aim of decarbonising electricity production, they are supported and given the chance that inclusion in the NPS will provide. 6.39 pm Andrew Percy (Brigg and Goole) (Con): It is a delight to follow my hon. Friend the Member for Truro and Falmouth (Sarah Newton), who spoke about the energy potential of the hot rocks of Cornwall. I shall say something about the energy potential of the East Riding of Yorkshire and north Lincolnshire, which it is my privilege to represent. My rocks may be a little colder, however. We already contribute significantly to the energy infrastructure of this country, not least through the power stations just outside my constituency and the constituency of my right hon. Friend the Member for Haltemprice and Howden (Mr Davis), at Drax and Eggborough, as well as through the coal-fired power station at Keadby in my constituency. There are also the potential opportunities that I raised with the Minister earlier with regard to offshore wind at the South Humber Gateway. I shall not mention in the presence of my neighbour, my right hon. Friend and the Member for Haltemprice and Howden, onshore wind turbines, as he and I are engaged in a number of skirmishes with various developers. I welcome today’s debate, which has ranged much broader than simply the national policy statements. We have gone into many wider areas of energy policy. The national policy statements will contribute to putting our energy policy on a much more secure footing, which we recognise is essential if we are to attract the necessary investment to keep the lights on in this country, as other Members have mentioned. I shall speak about two issues associated with the potential for offshore wind. I mentioned earlier the potential for clustering the manufacturing for offshore wind at the South Humber Gateway, which has been progressing somewhat slowly through the planning system, owing to similar problems to those mentioned by other Members in relation to Natural England. In fairness to both Natural England and the developers, I should say that there has been significant movement in recent days and we may well get agreement. The planning structure is a problem for us because the developers are looking at sites not just in the UK, but internationally. Unless we get that right, we risk losing a potentially huge amount of investment, in this case to other countries in Europe. I was pleased to hear the Minister talk about the review of overhead lines, which are another massive issue in my constituency. The national grid seems to criss-cross all over some beautiful Lincolnshire and east Yorkshire countryside. I shall follow the proceedings with interest. On the relationship between national policy statements and local councils, I echo some of the concerns expressed by the Energy and Climate Change Committee, which said: “We are concerned that the current status of the NPSs within the wider planning system is, at best, ambiguous.” I note the Government’s response, which states that “the degree to which Government policy, including the policy in the NPS, or draft NPS, is relevant to any particular planning application...isnotforGovernment to prescribe.” They go on to say that they therefore do not believe that any additional guidance is necessary. I ask the Minister to reconsider that. Having served as a local councillor for 10 years, I know that it is an undeniable attraction to planning officers to look for leadership from national Government in local planning decisions. Could we have a clearer statement that the NPSs will not impact on local planning decisions and should not be used as an excuse? We saw regional spatial strategies often being drawn into planning applications, where they had no real role. The temptation is irresistible to many planning officers to look to national policy for guidance. Perhaps that can be considered in more detail when we debate national policy statements next year. I welcome the general direction of policy. The debate today has been interesting, with the Minister and the shadow Minister working on a consensual cross-party basis on many topics. That is significant on a subject that is so important to the country. I look forward to seeing the Minister at the South Humber Gateway shortly, and I thank him for that. 6.43 pm Dan Byles (North Warwickshire) (Con): I shall keep my remarks brief, as I am conscious of time. It is extremely important that we get energy policy right. It is right that the Department has reconsulted on it, rather than rushing ahead, as it might have done. If we get energy policy wrong, we will live with the consequences for decades to come. There is a huge infrastructure challenge. As has been mentioned, we need to replace about one third of our entire energy generating capacity in the next 10 years. All our nuclear power stations bar one will be off line by 2023, and we need to rebuild substantially, if not completely, our energy transmission infrastructure if

925 National Policy Statements 1 DECEMBER 2010 National Policy Statements 926 we are to move towards a smart grid, which we will need to enable the 21st century energy infrastructure that we are trying to put in place to work. This huge infrastructure challenge translates into a huge investment challenge. Some £200 billion of investment is required in the coming years. To put that into context, I point out that it is approximately one third of the entire investment in energy infrastructure that the whole of Europe will require. EDF is looking at spending some £20 billion on what we hope will be the first of a new generation of nuclear power stations. That £20 billion represents the largest single investment by a French company outside France, I think ever, but certainly since the second world war. We need another nine just like that if we are to hit our £200 billion. At the risk of over-emphasising this issue, let me say that we absolutely have to get the investment climate right. We need to put in place a stable regulatory and investment climate that will give investors the confidence to invest staggering sums of money for 30 or 40-year timelines and beyond. The investment challenge here is probably the biggest single part of the issue that we are discussing today. I therefore strongly welcome the broad degree of cross-party consensus that we have on our emerging energy policy. Investors must have the confidence that we will not lurch from one energy policy in this country to another with potential changes of Government, but work together and put something in place that will give the confidence for 10, 20, 30, 40 years or more. That is all I want to say. It is a plea as much to those on the Opposition Front Bench as to those on the Government Front Bench. We must ensure that we put together an investment and regulatory regime that will not change, that will be stable and give the confidence that is necessary if we are to have the investment that we need. 6.46 pm Tessa Munt (Wells) (LD): I will return to my favourite subject of the electricity grid, particularly as it affects Somerset, Suffolk and the other areas that have been mentioned today. Electricity networks have a significant effect on the beauty and tranquillity of the countryside, and to date the industry has been guided by a set of principles called the Holford rules in routing new overhead lines. I particularly want to note that the second draft of the NPS on electricity networks proposes to weaken the standing of the Holford rules. The latest draft says only that decision makers “should bear them in mind”. That is likely to mean that there will be no requirement on either the electricity companies to demonstrate that they have sought to avoid damaging impacts on important areas of landscape, or that the decision maker should base its evaluation for proposed overhead transmission line schemes on whether the Holford rules have been met. Neither does there seem to be an expectation that the mitigation measures suggested in EN-5, at paragraph 289, should be carried out for schemes where one or more of the Holford rules are not met. The effect of this will be seriously to weaken the protection of the countryside from unnecessary or intrusive energy infrastructure. The other minor points that I would like to make include the wording of several sections of the NPS where minor changes of wording could have major impacts. I will write to the Minister in detail about those if I may, but certainly there are paragraphs in EN-1 that relate to the historic environment where there is weakened protection for non-designated but still important heritage assets, and there are impacts on the visual landscape that relate to the regional economy departing from existing protections for nationally designated areas such as national parks or areas of outstanding national beauty. In addition, EN-1 also seems to advise applicants on how to circumvent green belt protection. Finally, I cannot reflect the comments that were made earlier, and I should like to be sure that there is some way in which local authorities can negotiate a realistic contribution from developers, especially, for example, for residents in my area, which will be providing a storage facility for nuclear waste on a temporary basis that I understand to be somewhere in excess of 100 years. 6.49 pm Charles Hendry: We have had a good debate. It has been brief, but it is part of the process, not the end, and there will be further opportunities to discuss the issues at length when the House returns in the new year. We have had a very good mix, involving national interest and a great tour of the energy opportunities horizon in the constituencies of many Members on both sides of the House. One of the most encouraging outcomes of the debate is the recognition that, throughout the country, people are looking at how we can generate electricity in a new way. Where are the new opportunities? The hot rocks in Cornwall and the cold rocks in Yorkshire—the great opportunities that we find around us—are something that we should truly celebrate as we look at the issue. The hon. Member for Ogmore (Huw Irranca-Davies), who speaks for the Opposition on these matters, talked about who should take the credit, Labour Ministers or Conservative Ministers? I do not think it should be any of us, because it should be our incredibly hard-working officials, who have done almost all the work in getting us to our current position and an outstandingly good job on a very complex set of documents. The hon. Gentleman talked about the delay. We wish that there had not been one, but we recognised that in the previous draft statement there was a flaw in the appraisal of sustainability, and we felt it right to re-interpret that in order to make it stronger and clearer. Because that was so fundamental and in the overarching national policy statement, it seemed right that we should re-consult on all the statements, and it has been absolutely the right way to take the matter forward. On the question of how the process will move forward, we have assumed that there will be a debate about the national policy statements overall and, at the end of the day, votes on the individual statements, but we do not anticipate the scope for hundreds of amendments to them. We have changed the previous Government’s decision that there would be no vote at all, because we believe it important that, as part of this democratic process, the House should have the chance to vote on them. The hon. Gentleman asked also about the role of localism. There is a difference between the nationally critical strategic infrastructure, which we deal with in the national policy statements, and the local agenda,

925 National Policy Statements 1 DECEMBER 2010 National Policy Statements 926<br />

we are to move towards a smart grid, which we will need<br />

to enable the 21st century energy infrastructure that we<br />

are trying to put in place to work. This huge infrastructure<br />

challenge translates into a huge investment challenge.<br />

Some £200 billion of investment is required in the<br />

coming years. To put that into context, I point out that<br />

it is approximately one third of the entire investment in<br />

energy infrastructure that the whole of Europe will<br />

require. EDF is looking at spending some £20 billion on<br />

what we hope will be the first of a new generation of<br />

nuclear power stations. That £20 billion represents the<br />

largest single investment by a French company outside<br />

France, I think ever, but certainly since the second<br />

world war. We need another nine just like that if we are<br />

to hit our £200 billion.<br />

At the risk of over-emphasising this issue, let me say<br />

that we absolutely have to get the investment climate<br />

right. We need to put in place a stable regulatory and<br />

investment climate that will give investors the confidence<br />

to invest staggering sums of money for 30 or 40-year<br />

timelines and beyond. The investment challenge <strong>here</strong> is<br />

probably the biggest single part of the issue that we are<br />

discussing today. I t<strong>here</strong>fore strongly welcome the broad<br />

degree of cross-party consensus that we have on our<br />

emerging energy policy. Investors must have the confidence<br />

that we will not lurch from one energy policy in this<br />

country to another with potential changes of Government,<br />

but work together and put something in place that will<br />

give the confidence for 10, 20, 30, 40 years or more.<br />

That is all I want to say. It is a plea as much to those<br />

on the Opposition Front Bench as to those on the<br />

Government Front Bench. We must ensure that we put<br />

together an investment and regulatory regime that will<br />

not change, that will be stable and give the confidence<br />

that is necessary if we are to have the investment that we<br />

need.<br />

6.46 pm<br />

Tessa Munt (Wells) (LD): I will return to my favourite<br />

subject of the electricity grid, particularly as it affects<br />

Somerset, Suffolk and the other areas that have been<br />

mentioned today. Electricity networks have a significant<br />

effect on the beauty and tranquillity of the countryside,<br />

and to date the industry has been guided by a set of<br />

principles called the Holford rules in routing new overhead<br />

lines. I particularly want to note that the second draft of<br />

the NPS on electricity networks proposes to weaken the<br />

standing of the Holford rules. The latest draft says only<br />

that decision makers<br />

“should bear them in mind”.<br />

That is likely to mean that t<strong>here</strong> will be no requirement<br />

on either the electricity companies to demonstrate that<br />

they have sought to avoid damaging impacts on important<br />

areas of landscape, or that the decision maker should<br />

base its evaluation for proposed overhead transmission<br />

line schemes on whether the Holford rules have been<br />

met. Neither does t<strong>here</strong> seem to be an expectation<br />

that the mitigation measures suggested in EN-5, at<br />

paragraph 289, should be carried out for schemes w<strong>here</strong><br />

one or more of the Holford rules are not met. The effect<br />

of this will be seriously to weaken the protection of the<br />

countryside from unnecessary or intrusive energy<br />

infrastructure.<br />

The other minor points that I would like to make<br />

include the wording of several sections of the NPS<br />

w<strong>here</strong> minor changes of wording could have major<br />

impacts. I will write to the Minister in detail about those<br />

if I may, but certainly t<strong>here</strong> are paragraphs in EN-1 that<br />

relate to the historic environment w<strong>here</strong> t<strong>here</strong> is weakened<br />

protection for non-designated but still important heritage<br />

assets, and t<strong>here</strong> are impacts on the visual landscape<br />

that relate to the regional economy departing from<br />

existing protections for nationally designated areas such<br />

as national parks or areas of outstanding national<br />

beauty. In addition, EN-1 also seems to advise applicants<br />

on how to circumvent green belt protection.<br />

Finally, I cannot reflect the comments that were<br />

made earlier, and I should like to be sure that t<strong>here</strong> is<br />

some way in which local authorities can negotiate a<br />

realistic contribution from developers, especially, for<br />

example, for residents in my area, which will be<br />

providing a storage facility for nuclear waste on a<br />

temporary basis that I understand to be somew<strong>here</strong> in<br />

excess of 100 years.<br />

6.49 pm<br />

Charles Hendry: We have had a good debate. It has<br />

been brief, but it is part of the process, not the end, and<br />

t<strong>here</strong> will be further opportunities to discuss the issues<br />

at length when the House returns in the new year. We<br />

have had a very good mix, involving national interest<br />

and a great tour of the energy opportunities horizon in<br />

the constituencies of many Members on both sides of<br />

the House. One of the most encouraging outcomes of<br />

the debate is the recognition that, throughout the country,<br />

people are looking at how we can generate electricity in<br />

a new way. W<strong>here</strong> are the new opportunities? The hot<br />

rocks in Cornwall and the cold rocks in Yorkshire—the<br />

great opportunities that we find around us—are something<br />

that we should truly celebrate as we look at the issue.<br />

The hon. Member for Ogmore (Huw Irranca-Davies),<br />

who speaks for the Opposition on these matters, talked<br />

about who should take the credit, Labour Ministers or<br />

Conservative Ministers? I do not think it should be any<br />

of us, because it should be our incredibly hard-working<br />

officials, who have done almost all the work in getting<br />

us to our current position and an outstandingly good<br />

job on a very complex set of documents.<br />

The hon. Gentleman talked about the delay. We wish<br />

that t<strong>here</strong> had not been one, but we recognised that in<br />

the previous draft statement t<strong>here</strong> was a flaw in the<br />

appraisal of sustainability, and we felt it right to re-interpret<br />

that in order to make it stronger and clearer. Because<br />

that was so fundamental and in the overarching national<br />

policy statement, it seemed right that we should re-consult<br />

on all the statements, and it has been absolutely the<br />

right way to take the matter forward.<br />

On the question of how the process will move forward,<br />

we have assumed that t<strong>here</strong> will be a debate about the<br />

national policy statements overall and, at the end of the<br />

day, votes on the individual statements, but we do not<br />

anticipate the scope for hundreds of amendments to<br />

them. We have changed the previous Government’s<br />

decision that t<strong>here</strong> would be no vote at all, because we<br />

believe it important that, as part of this democratic<br />

process, the House should have the chance to vote on<br />

them.<br />

The hon. Gentleman asked also about the role of<br />

localism. T<strong>here</strong> is a difference between the nationally<br />

critical strategic infrastructure, which we deal with in<br />

the national policy statements, and the local agenda,

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