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Maddever: Research has shown<br />
companies that have a very diverse<br />
and balanced group [at <strong>the</strong> senior<br />
management level] do better. In <strong>the</strong><br />
areas of advertising and marketing,<br />
where people are charged with<br />
coming up with insights, <strong>the</strong>re<br />
are really good business reasons<br />
to make sure that <strong>the</strong> teams have<br />
all of <strong>the</strong> knowledge and deep<br />
cultural understanding that <strong>the</strong>y<br />
need to talk to <strong>the</strong> many ethnic<br />
communities in Canada. On <strong>the</strong><br />
brand side, <strong>the</strong>re is great diversity<br />
with programs that are welcoming.<br />
On <strong>the</strong> agency side, <strong>the</strong>re are some<br />
that are good, some that are not.<br />
In areas such as creative, it seems<br />
to still be very male-dominated. It<br />
is important for everyone to see<br />
senior roles as something <strong>the</strong>y<br />
can shoot for. I think when we’re<br />
looking at diversity at agencies,<br />
it’s an issue when all <strong>the</strong> senior<br />
creative directors are white guys.<br />
Logue: In my direct experience it has<br />
not been an issue. I work at a small<br />
agency, we have representation<br />
from multiple ethnicities and<br />
<strong>the</strong>re’s a female partner, male<br />
partner, different sexualities.<br />
When I look at <strong>the</strong> brands I work<br />
with, certainly <strong>the</strong>re’s not an issue<br />
at those companies. I work with<br />
an organization on <strong>the</strong>ir hockey<br />
program, and all <strong>the</strong> senior leads<br />
are female.<br />
diverse. And all <strong>the</strong> bright stars<br />
we have now – all <strong>the</strong> juniors – are<br />
women. But <strong>the</strong>re’s a point in <strong>the</strong>ir<br />
career where <strong>the</strong>y’re doing so well<br />
and boom! They’re gone.<br />
Vonk: I had a late realization in<br />
life that gender is a problem. Just<br />
because I haven’t had a problem<br />
with it doesn’t mean <strong>the</strong>re isn’t<br />
something going on. The problem<br />
is certainly not evident in schools<br />
– <strong>the</strong>re are probably more women<br />
graduating than men going into<br />
our ield and tons of women in <strong>the</strong><br />
industry – but <strong>the</strong>re is undeniably<br />
a mass eodus at <strong>the</strong> point where<br />
[women] should be stepping into<br />
get to <strong>the</strong> high schools and create<br />
conditions of success for people<br />
who are a bit more marginalized.<br />
We are a creative industry. We<br />
should be able to igure out a<br />
creative solution to stem <strong>the</strong> tide.<br />
Logue: But why is it an issue? I think<br />
a group full of men could market to<br />
women and a group of women could<br />
market to men. I don’t think it has to<br />
do with sex. As a marketer, it’s your<br />
job to market to your demo.<br />
Maddever: On a practical level <strong>the</strong>re<br />
are things you’re going to miss. If<br />
you don’t have <strong>the</strong> same inherent<br />
knowledge, you’re not going to get<br />
12%: ESTIMATED INCREASE IN PRODUCTION ACCORDING TO THE AUSTRALIAN<br />
GOVERNMENT, IF THE BOARDROOM GENDER GAP WERE ELIMINATED.<br />
SUCCESSFUL START-UPS LAUNCHED BETWEEN 1997 AND 2011 IN NORTH AMERICA<br />
HAD TWICE AS MANY WOMEN IN SENIOR MANAGEMENT POSITIONS THAN<br />
THEIR UNSUCCESSFUL COUNTERPARTS (DOW JONES).<br />
BUSINESSES IN EUROPE AND ASIA WITH HIGHER THAN AVERAGE FEMALE EXECS<br />
WERE 47% MORE PROFITABLE THAN THEIR COMPETITORS (MCKINSEY).<br />
DIVERSE BACKGROUNDS CREATE “CONSTRUCTIVE<br />
CONFLICT,” WHICH LEADS TO A “MORE THOROUGH STRATEGIC DECISION-<br />
MAKING PROCESS AND ORGANIZATIONAL OVERSIGHT” (DIVERSECITY).<br />
Cundari: When I hire, my biggest<br />
criteria is I don’t hire stupid<br />
people. I’m not going to force a<br />
mandate. Eighty percent of my<br />
ofice is now women. Even in<br />
our creative group, we’ve found<br />
a pretty even balance. I would<br />
say <strong>the</strong> senior guys are still male,<br />
but ethnically we’re completely<br />
<strong>the</strong> more senior roles. It bears a<br />
lot of consideration because it’s a<br />
brain drain.<br />
When I was CCO, I know how<br />
hard it was to ind any black people.<br />
I think it’s dangerous to make<br />
sweeping generalizations, of course.<br />
I know it’s such a crisis in <strong>the</strong> U.S.<br />
that ad organizations are trying to<br />
to <strong>the</strong> same place as quickly.<br />
Leung: But to support Matt’s point,<br />
<strong>the</strong> creative team that worked on<br />
OB tampons are men. I don’t think<br />
we can generalize to say that men<br />
can’t market tampons, or women<br />
can’t market cars, [but] it’s easier if<br />
you get your period.<br />
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