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thoughts and expectations of relative value. Expect a<br />

debate in due course.<br />

DR. LOUIS HAGEN: The current crisis has clearly<br />

demonstrated that covered bonds have been able to<br />

withstand the earth quake when other funding markets<br />

especially structured products had already been destroyed.<br />

Within the covered bond family again we saw a substantial<br />

spread differentiation with some products showing more<br />

resilience than others. Since September we are in a<br />

situation in which it seems that almost only government<br />

products or government guaranteed products are able to<br />

attract a wider audience. But even within the government<br />

sector there is a wide range of differentiation.<br />

CARLOS STILIANOPOULOS: The strengths of the<br />

Covered Bond product has been highlighted by current<br />

market conditions. Even though spreads have widened<br />

substantially, demand has remained relatively strong<br />

during this period. There have been many private<br />

placements done in the Covered Bond market lately, and<br />

this shows there is still investor appetite for the product<br />

which cannot be said for other asset classes. The reason<br />

for this? Probably because of the strength of the product<br />

in itself.<br />

Given the depth of the current crisis, how might it<br />

impact on the covered bond market in the<br />

immediate term?<br />

TIM SKEET: The once homogeneous asset class has<br />

definitively splintered by geography, structure and issuer<br />

into a hitherto unanticipated pattern. Each jurisdiction<br />

makes claims about the robust nature of its domestic<br />

bonds, although investors do not always appear to be<br />

swayed by the arguments. Divergent nominal trading levels<br />

in the secondary markets illustrate this. Gone probably<br />

forever is the notion that this is a unified asset class. This<br />

realisation represents furthermore a challenge which will<br />

require more work on the part of investors. Let us hope<br />

that the market, with its cadre of analysts supported in<br />

future by credit and macroeconomic specialists, will rise to<br />

this. Better communication, greater transparency and<br />

attention to the mechanics of transactions will be required.<br />

The way that this will impact spreads and where the asset<br />

class trades relative to senior unsecured or agency debt is<br />

not clear. Nevertheless, the degree of government support,<br />

specific laws in many cases, and security on the back of<br />

prime bank credits should combine to preserve the<br />

premium quality status of most of the asset class. Market<br />

practitioners can still dream on.<br />

What does the issuance calendar look like for the rest<br />

of this year and for the first half of 2009?<br />

DR. LOUIS HAGEN: We do expect issuance to gain<br />

momentum in 2009 especially in maturities beyond the 3-<br />

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year tenor, although very gradually given the increased<br />

competition from agencies and guaranteed bank bonds.<br />

TED LORD: Many covered bond issuers are looking for the<br />

opportunity to come to the market should conditions<br />

improve. The stronger names with solid business models<br />

should lead the way in the tough markets for 2009.<br />

Investors want to purchase names that can keep doing a<br />

profitable business in the current climate and those firms<br />

that are not too highly leveraged.<br />

Why did registered covered bonds become more<br />

popular over the summer of 2008? Was it to avoid any<br />

mark to market adjustments? Or is that too simplistic<br />

and where other issues in play?<br />

DR. LOUIS HAGEN: Registered bonds are an important<br />

pillar of the Pfandbrief market. About one third of 840<br />

billion Euro Pfandbrief outstanding comes in registered<br />

format. Registered Pfandbrief offer more flexibility to many<br />

institutional investors like insurance companies and other<br />

banks given they do not have to mark them to market. In<br />

times of severe dislocations like today institutional<br />

investors resort to registered bonds given the lack of any<br />

indication of fair values. In addition most registered<br />

Pfandbrief are tailor made at the request of the investor.<br />

Was the jumbo covered bond market more or less<br />

impacted by the crisis than other covered bonds?<br />

TIM SKEET: Trading had been one of the market’s key<br />

attractions. Jumbos offered a real sense of liquidity relative<br />

to other asset classes. The jumbo market-making<br />

conventions in force proved excellent for fair weather<br />

trading, but exacerbated the spiral when the winds turned.<br />

Now the market is wrecked, how best should the traders<br />

set about moving forward? Optimists point to the fact that<br />

members of the trading community are taking the initiative<br />

and moving towards more open and modern trading<br />

standards that suit variable market conditions better. It is<br />

likely that although Jumbo trading and that sector of the<br />

market will revive in due course, more flexible issue sizes<br />

may emerge into the mainstream, offering issuers greater<br />

control over maturities, and investors more choice on<br />

spread and other parameters. Rating agencies may<br />

encourage this in order to alleviate refinancing risks. It is<br />

therefore possible that issues of say €500m will be more<br />

frequently seen in future and more flexible taps (as seen<br />

recently in the Pfandbrief sector).<br />

DR. LOUIS HAGEN: One cannot compare the Jumbo<br />

market with the traditional market. The Jumbo model aims<br />

at providing liquidity to the investor whereas traditional<br />

Pfandbrief does not. The liquidity of the Jumbo Pfandbrief<br />

was impacted first having proven its resilience quite a long<br />

time after the crisis loomed in summer 2007 when spreads<br />

had remained almost unaffected as had volumes.<br />

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