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Systems Pass away - Data Consists (hopefully)<br />

24. november 2011<br />

04:30<br />

Hospital A has decided to buy and implement an EHR. You are part of the group that has to give<br />

advice to the board of the hospital. The board wants your input on how to build/develop/grow an<br />

information system at the hospital that will make Hospital A ”the role model” in the region/of the<br />

nation. Remember arguments and references.<br />

Here you have my <strong>note</strong>s on inputs to Hospital A . The <strong>note</strong>s are not well organised or checked for spelling or<br />

grammar, but hopefully you will get the idea anyhow.<br />

Before you take such an assignment to you, it is important that you understand what the Board sees as being<br />

a role model. What do you think they see as success criterias? Good user experiences? Rapid deployment?<br />

Cheap solution? - Probally not!<br />

Often it is the Boardmembers reputation that is the driving force when they are to pick a new strategy or<br />

EHR solution. Your recomendations are to ensure them that the risk of failure is minimal and chance of being<br />

the role model is optimal.<br />

Will you recomend the Board to pick an EHR from the biggest vendor in the country?<br />

This is what Boards have chosen so fare. What will the outcome look like?<br />

- Low risk ??<br />

- No role model<br />

- High cost!!!<br />

As discussed earlier in this course - it is very difficult to give a clear answer as to what an EHR is.Therefore<br />

my claim is that hospital (A) already have an EHR. It's just a question of ensuring a simple approach to the<br />

systems they already have.<br />

What are the advantages of such an approach? It is not yet a new big bang solution, with all the<br />

uncertainties thus follows.<br />

How can such an approach be possible? Can you get anything useful out of all the information gathered in<br />

many different databases with no interoperability?<br />

Yes. If one divides systems from data. And perhaps acquire new standalone dedicated systems, which<br />

supports workflow the best way.<br />

AAU side 1


Taking the dataperspective on what is being done.<br />

Before any EPR<br />

Economy<br />

HR<br />

Different records<br />

Different records<br />

Different records<br />

Booking<br />

Clinical Clinical registry registry<br />

Clinical registry<br />

PAS<br />

PAS<br />

DRG<br />

Phatology<br />

Todays picture where they have chosen an EPR implementation<br />

Clinical registry AAU side 2<br />

Small Small devices devices EKG ECG etc. etc.<br />

Small devices ECG etc .<br />

Radiology<br />

Laboratory<br />

Laboratory<br />

Laboratory<br />

Blood


Economy<br />

HR<br />

Different records<br />

Different records<br />

Phatology<br />

Clinical registry<br />

Clinical registry<br />

Clinical registry<br />

Clinical registry<br />

EPR<br />

DRG<br />

Small devices ECG etc .<br />

Laboratory<br />

Historic records<br />

and patient<br />

administrations<br />

What has happened in the transaction to the EPRs we have today is granularity loss and history archiving.<br />

Due to the cost of system interoperability and the ever changing standardization (in my opinion) and due to<br />

the fact that it is a hard task to build an complete ERP-system from the ground.<br />

"I have a little story about this. Last week I had a meeting with a guy named Steen Friberg. Former Clinical<br />

Director at Horsens Hospital. He now sits as Chairman of a small company in Aarhus, called<br />

Cetrea. Cetrea and SYSTEMATIC, has lately been on a road trip together with the royal Prince to the US.<br />

SYSTEMATIC can present an attractive EHR system with interoperalitet and a nice UI. Cetrea has a system<br />

that supports the work flow around the inpatients, but their system has no interoperability to other systems.<br />

Cetrea ended up with contracts to US hospitals SYSTEMATIC didn't! You cannot make any conclusions based<br />

on such stories, but Cetreas system is based upon a "thorough understanding of the practices in which the<br />

system are to function" - Berg 1999. SYSTEMATIC has build their system according to requirements written by<br />

people who have read many of the same articles you now are studying."<br />

Will Hospital (A) choose this path?<br />

Of course not.<br />

This would be the wonderful setup<br />

AAU side 3


This would be the wonderful setup<br />

Economy<br />

HR<br />

Different records<br />

Different records<br />

Different records<br />

Booking<br />

All transaction systems<br />

subscribe to central hub for<br />

keys and shared attrbutes .<br />

Master data service is the<br />

system of record for all<br />

descriptive information. No<br />

downstream integration is<br />

needed, because data is<br />

integrated as it is created<br />

Clinical Clinical registry registry<br />

Clinical registry<br />

PAS<br />

PAS<br />

Phatology<br />

Master data Service Hub<br />

Including Clinical<br />

Terminology amongst<br />

other master data<br />

DW ETL<br />

DRG<br />

Small Small devices devices EKG ECG etc. etc.<br />

Small devices ECG etc .<br />

Radiology<br />

Laboratory<br />

Laboratory<br />

Laboratory<br />

This is the realistic setup before the transaction systems subscribe to the central hub<br />

AAU side 4<br />

Blood<br />

All eksternal interoperability<br />

will happen through the Data<br />

Warehouse. Internal<br />

interoperability will happen<br />

through the hub<br />

Data Warehouse


This is the realistic setup before the transaction systems subscribe to the central hub<br />

Economy<br />

HR<br />

Different records<br />

Different records<br />

Different records<br />

Booking<br />

Implement a system +<br />

mapping tables to uniqely<br />

identify entities.<br />

Simple MDS implementation<br />

feeds DW ETL clean,<br />

integrated dimension data<br />

Clinical Clinical registry registry<br />

Clinical registry<br />

PAS<br />

PAS<br />

Phatology<br />

”Unification”<br />

System<br />

Master data Service Hub<br />

Including Clinical<br />

Terminology amongst<br />

other master data<br />

DW ETL<br />

AAU side 5<br />

DRG<br />

Small Small devices devices EKG ECG etc . etc .<br />

Small devices ECG etc .<br />

Radiology<br />

Laboratory<br />

Laboratory<br />

Laboratory<br />

Blood<br />

All eksternal interoperability<br />

will happen through the Data<br />

Warehouse. Internal<br />

interoperability will happen<br />

through the hub and the<br />

unification system.<br />

Data Warehouse


Keep the systems you already have, and build a smooth connective interface to all the systems through<br />

individual system APIs. When you want to present other things than the individual patient recordings make<br />

quires through the DWH.<br />

What are the preconditions for successful implementation of a new terminology and a master data hub that<br />

will be the glue between all the systems?<br />

- Passionate buiseness sponsership<br />

- History of effective data governance<br />

- Effective choice of tools<br />

Has the SNOMED CT group handled these preconditions?<br />

No "it is up to the vendors". Therefore it will never become a succes!<br />

Classification --> Reference terminology<br />

"From the beginning there has been controversy between those arguing for more formality and knowledge<br />

representation<br />

in medical terminology and those arguing for traditional methods. The claim of one side has always been that<br />

the formal<br />

methods and ontologies were over-complicated and difficult to understand; the claim of the other that it was<br />

the very<br />

need for simplicity for clinicians when working with a computer system which required formal<br />

sophistication – the<br />

‘swans paddle furiously under the water’ argument. The dispute is not yet resolved, but the use of a<br />

description logic as<br />

part of the infrastructure for SNOMED-RT and SNOMED-CT suggests a move in the direction of formality.<br />

Work on practical terminologies has also brought with it the need to confront version and change<br />

management more<br />

usually addressed in the database community. Change was central to Campbell’s proposals for the<br />

Convergent Terms<br />

Project which eventually became SNOMED-RT[20]. Change management has been explored in more general<br />

terms<br />

both by Cimino and his colleagues [26] and more recently by Oliver [87]. Full integration of change<br />

management and<br />

formal techniques remains one of the major challenges facing practical use of formal ontologies.<br />

In the meantime, the central role of medical terminology in medical records now seems to be becoming<br />

established ,<br />

and the aspirations act as the glue amongst applications are beginning to be realised [108]"- rectors<br />

homepage http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~rector/home_page_rector/aim-bio-paper-rector.pdf<br />

What are the fundamental problem dealing with classifications and terminology<br />

- Information about entities is entered in multiple systems and there will be different interpretations<br />

about the entities<br />

○ What is a diagnosis (patient etc.)?<br />

○ We need a 360 view of a diagnosis, patient etc.<br />

○ How do we handle changes over time<br />

When using the is_A (parent-child) relationships from the SnoMedCT system it will be possible to create<br />

deeper classification hierarchies from the exsisting claissification systems.<br />

How does the reference terminology fit in here?<br />

- Most systems are already ready for references build into them. Use these mechanisms that are already<br />

described and managed in paper (http://www.sst.dk/~/media/Indberetning%20og%<br />

20statistik/Patientregistrering/Faellesindhold%202011.ashx ) It is not in English --sorry<br />

Eks. Patient Administration System - additional codes<br />

AAU side 6


Evolve the existing systems with the more detailed terminology<br />

This is not a technical hard task - it is a work flow task.<br />

Concerns about the primary and secondary use of health data, is a misunderstood discussion (in my opinion).<br />

- It is not human nature to trust data, as it is presented. Data without any explanation is not of any use.<br />

- Data do not necessarily have to be aggregated in order to be used for secondary use<br />

- aggregations need not necessarily to be additive (fluid balance story by Berg)<br />

- The discussion implies that secondary use of data is for people that do not know the domain. It won't<br />

ever be the case<br />

These were my <strong>note</strong>s on what I would recomend the board.<br />

Will the board tune in on the idea? In these crisis times they migth. A roughly estimate on the price of<br />

implementing such ideas will with a conservative estimate be 1/20 of the price of a fully implemented EHR.<br />

Next time you will be introduced to how to do it.<br />

Before next lecture I would like if you would read the following:<br />

1. Basics on Dimensional Modeling<br />

2. Basics on Master Data Management<br />

Pdf's will be sent to you.<br />

Best regards Jacob<br />

AAU side 7

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