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May 25, 2010 Martinez E-mail to Sondheim, cc RRC:<br />

RRC – Rule 1.5 [4-200]<br />

E-mails, etc. – Revised (6/1/2010)<br />

Harry, under your proposed version <strong>of</strong> (iii) the fee isn't earned until the services are performed.<br />

This means the fee is still the client's property until the services are performed and can be<br />

seized <strong>by</strong> third parties. Under my version, the fee is earned on receipt "subject to" a refund.<br />

Perhaps the fix is to add the words "on receipt" after "earned in full" in you version.<br />

May 25, 2010 Melchior E-mail to RRC:<br />

I am quite sure that I dissented from our treatment <strong>of</strong> advance fees but do not have the time to<br />

get involved in this argument at the moment.<br />

I had a case recently in which the lawyer wrote an engagement letter which stated as clearly as<br />

possible that the fee was an availability fee, earned upon engagement. But he then added that<br />

he would not charge for some hours <strong>of</strong> time because <strong>of</strong> the availability payment, and the OCTC<br />

charged that it was NOT an availability fee despite its language. I had to study the field, and I<br />

concluded that the Review Department had undermined what I read as the Supreme Court's<br />

intent in the Baranowsky case, and that now, in <strong>California</strong>, there were availability fees in the<br />

abstract only -- i.e., if the client paid the lawyer ONLY for availability and NO work would be<br />

credited against that payment. Of course, in real life that doesn't happen.<br />

I think that anything short <strong>of</strong> going back to Baranowsky undermines the positions which<br />

bankruptcy and criminal defense lawyers MUST take, and that we are engaging in (or in any<br />

event supporting) a destructive enterprise if we don't straighten this out. But I don't think that<br />

my views have a chance.<br />

My apologies for not being able to get more involved; but client work comes first. This debate<br />

explains one more reason why our work is not helpful, though we have all certainly tried.<br />

May 25, 2010 Martinez E-mail to Sondheim, cc RRC:<br />

Harry, I'm fine with it but, I think we need a comment indicating that the rule is not intended to<br />

address all circumstances under which the client may be entitled to a refund. After all, this is a<br />

matter <strong>of</strong> contract law and there are other circumstances where the client might be entitled to a<br />

refund, such as where the lawyer performs the services negligently-- i.e., a failure <strong>of</strong><br />

consideration. We are not overruling traditional contract defenses. Either way, I don't think it will<br />

appease Tarlow and others who insist there be no rule that prohibits non-refundable fees.<br />

May 25, 2010 Sondheim e-mail to Martinez, cc RRC:<br />

Then how about this:<br />

"(iii) that, the fee is earned in full upon receipt and, unless the lawyer withdraws before the<br />

completion <strong>of</strong> the services or otherwise fails to perform services contemplated under this<br />

Agreement, no portion <strong>of</strong> it will be refunded."<br />

While this is a variation <strong>of</strong> the Sample Fee agreement, I believe it is defensible as based upon<br />

the "gold standard" supported <strong>by</strong> Tarlow and others.<br />

RRC - 4-200 [1-5] - E-mails, etc. - REV (06-01-10).doc -142-<br />

Printed: June 2, 2010

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