Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
every real moment, not just in the moments when I'm writing
about it, or waxing philosophical, but in actual moments of actual
life. That's where the rubber meets the road, and that's why I love
the path of relationship, because those kinds of things come up all
the time.
WIZARD: Love is not something we do, the I-thought thinks it
can say I love you, and really the I-thought surrenders to be in love
with, which is to be in that nameless truth with. That's always
available, it gets back to when you hope for it, it pushes that away,
it puts a construct that you're seeing, and it pushes that away. And
if you're not pushing it away in any circumstance, someone
mentioned recently that like in Japan they don't say I love you
when they're in that moment, they say, it's loving, like it's raining.
BRIAN ADLER: Well that's why I think the beauty of relationship
is not that love is created, but rather that all the habits of mind
that causes me to miss it, to overlook it, get exposed.
WIZARD: Right on.
TRIP: Rumi wrote a poem that applies to what we're talking
about, and I'm going to read it, you had it in your paper, and it was
the very first thing in your paper there. It's entitled Bird Wings.
"Your grief for what you've lost lifts a mirror up to where you're
bravely working, expecting the worst you look and instead here's
the joyful face you've been wanting to see. Your hand opens and
closes, and opens and closes. If it were always a fist, or always
stretched open, you would be paralyzed; your deepest presence is
in every small contracting and expanding. The two is beautifully
balanced and coordinated as bird wings". Beautiful.
BRIAN ADLER: One of the things I was actually thinking about
just in the last couple of days that that poem speaks to, because I
think a lot of us on the spiritual path imagine that this path is
about being, it's different for everyone, but being loving all the
time, being clear all the time, being insightful all the time. And
that's paradoxically what destroys our sensitivity to presence is
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