Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
WIZARD: So this brings up belief itself.
BRIAN ADLER: Yes, so that's the thing, is we make up these
religions, and I don't mean like supernatural religions, or those
too, but the personal religions like if I had more money I'd be
happy, or if I had a more exciting career I'd be happy, or if
someone loved me I'd be happy. And because I went through I
would say so long a time where the circumstances I was in were so
completely different than the ones that I'd imagined for myself.
It's like eventually I was okay, I get the joke, I'm going to look
around, and does it really need to be different? And that's when I
started, I was telling you this the other day in the car, that to me
grace is the discovery that happiness does not depend, truly and
absolutely does not depend on circumstances. And that started to
be a reality for me rather than a spiritual concept, because I went
for so long in those circumstances that eventually I became willing
to be curious, okay, does it really need to be different? Or is there
something within me, is there something that I'm doing that's
making it seem like a problem.
WIZARD: And grace may be any circumstance.
PAUL NAGY: You know when you talk to me about grace, one of
my key words for understanding grace is it's your own awareness,
not which you're aware of, that you're aware. And however when
you're talking about grace and you're talking about depression,
awareness can be there, but it doesn't necessarily mean you feel
good.
BRIAN ADLER: Yes, absolutely.
PAUL NAGY: There's an energetic, as living people there's an
energetic relationship and that we might like to change, see that's
something you want to change, you want to change your energy
field, you have low energy, you want to bring it up. You're overly
nervous; you want to calm it down. But that's not your awareness;
it's not your happiness.
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