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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: I can feel worn down by my beliefs that<br />

the world should be different, which I think is very different than<br />

saying I'm actually worn down by the resistance.<br />

ROBERT SALTZMAN: John and I are giving each other the<br />

thumbs up on that. That's it. I've got this little thing I like to say<br />

to myself when I need a talking to [Laughing]. What I say is,<br />

Robert, in this moment things are as they are, and cannot be any<br />

different. And it's immediately soothing and calming.<br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Cool.<br />

ROBERT SALTZMAN: And that's what you were just saying, yes.<br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: I think so, yes. I know the difference<br />

between the world and my mind, I guess, is a way to say it. I know<br />

the difference between my beliefs about what's happening and<br />

what's happening, and so any time there's a resistance or anger, or<br />

frustration, I know that it's not actually out there, it's arising<br />

because of something I'm thinking, because I have moments when<br />

I'm not angry. So what's different, if it's the same room, or the<br />

same parent, or the same partner, or the same social situation, the<br />

same traffic jam? We all have amazing amounts of data for how<br />

our thoughts or our beliefs are the thing that piss us off, not the<br />

actual world, because we know many people who have situations<br />

we can't fathom and they have a wonderful time <strong>with</strong> them. I<br />

know that's the case, I know that if people sat down and thought<br />

about it, they would realize very quickly, it's what I think that's<br />

bothering me, not the world. And then seemingly in immediate<br />

dangerous situations we respond actually very naturally, almost<br />

<strong>with</strong>out thought, if there's an actual hurricane, or tidal wave, or<br />

flood, or robber, a mugger, whatever, we just get out of the way, or<br />

run, or whatever we do. That happens almost <strong>with</strong>out thought,<br />

and then I tell a story about it, that's very, very painful. But I<br />

notice it doesn't have to be, I don't have to tell a story about the<br />

world to sit here, and I’m already here.<br />

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