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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

ROBERT SALTZMAN: It's one of those full body orgasms, it's<br />

nothing much.<br />

TRIP: Exactly, Benjamin's weeping <strong>with</strong> joy.<br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: It's just beautiful. It's the beauty, it is<br />

amazing. Katie says let love kill you, it has that feeling it's so<br />

beautiful you feel like you're dying. Oh, it's so pretty. <strong>The</strong> thought<br />

I apologize for.<br />

ROBERT SALTZMAN: Not at all. When we sit here in this state<br />

we become aware that a great deal of what goes on is trying to<br />

avoid the intensity of what love really feels like. And so we find<br />

ways of distracting ourselves, or blinding ourselves, to what we<br />

really experience when we aren't blinded, yes?<br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Yes, yes. And sometimes allowing it<br />

completely, and then it's definitely like the body starts dancing<br />

around on the floor, and the tears, and the wracking. Because<br />

you're right, it has an orgasmic quality to it even though it's also<br />

slightly painful in some ways.<br />

ROBERT SALTZMAN: Well there are times in one's own life when<br />

we experience physical pain or illness which really turns out to be<br />

the body expanding or opening channels so that it can stand more<br />

of this wonderful energy that might feel like a terrible headache<br />

that lasts for a week, but when it ends you realize that, wow,<br />

something opened up here that was closed up before. This is<br />

great. So better not to resist our ailments and just let them<br />

happen, they may be a wonderful purification.<br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: Yes, I love that I get to listen to you.<br />

ROBERT SALTZMAN: Oh, I love being listened to. [Laughs] I<br />

like meeting you too, this is great.<br />

TRIP: Something that I think is really cool that's happening and<br />

maybe it was happening before I had the ears for hearing it, but it<br />

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