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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
that the person? And then the first reaction might be well yes,
because that's me. And all that means usually is that some
emotion or sensation in the body's coming up with it. So then I
direct their attention into the body, and I say, what's happening
when you have that thought? And they'll say something like I'm
feeling a sadness. So I'll say, is the thought I'm feeling sadness, is
that the person? And they'll say, no. So I'll say, then drop that
thought and be with the actual sadness as a pure energy nonconceptually.
And when they sit with energy they start to see that
the emotion itself doesn't have nearly the power that it did when
they were describing it, or when they were only in the viewpoint.
So the emotion starts to fill empty and I'll say, is that emotion the
person? And they'll say, no, that's just energy. So I'll say, go back
to the thought, unworthy. But now that they've faced the feeling,
the thought loses its power because the feeling’s a sense fueling
the viewpoint. So now that the emotion has been seen as empty,
I go back to the thought and I say, is the thought I'm unworthy, is
that the person? They say, no, that's just a thought.
So then we go to the next thought, the next thought. We literally
get to this place where it's a direct experience of emptiness,
because where they thought there was an inherent object they
found only this arising followed by that arising, none of which are
the person itself, and so just leaves them that emptiness, and often
just stops the mind, the mind just withdraws from its ability of
thinking that there's a separate person there. It's just a little tool
that I do with people, then I try to help them go out and use it on
their own, it usually takes two or three times of just meeting with
me so they can understand the process, how it works, because
there's a few things you have to do in order to really make it
effective.
TRIP: Well thank you. So we've got just a couple more minutes.
What are the opportunities over say the next few months that
people will have to hang with you? What are all the different
means by which they can do that?
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