Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
TRIP: Where was it? There was a common misperception that
you spoke to that I wanted to get to. Anything you want to share
while I'm fumbling around for my next question.
SCOTT KILOBY: No, nothing's coming up, I hope the people who
are listening are okay with me not having anything to add right
here, just I'll just wait until we… we'll just sit here until something
comes up, I guess.
WIZARD: Dead airtime is okay.
TRIP: All right, well you are particularly talented in providing
folks with simple exercises to undertake that are extremely helpful
in moving through where they're at, and let's just have you talk
about a couple of them. For example, what's the un-findable
object inquiry that you do?
SCOTT KILOBY: Again that came from some of my work with
Mahayana Buddhism but I modified it for myself to put it into the
living realization stuff. What it is, it's a way of questioning your
experience where you start out with a notion that something has a
separate existence. I call it just an object, it could be yourself, and
it could be another. I've done this inquiry with people on things
like death, on Fibromyalgia, cancer, financial debt, just on the
witness, people get to a place where they establish that they're the
witness, all phenomena, the witness feels like a stuck position. So
I've done on that, so it could be any object, physical or otherwise,
and what we do is I ask a series of questions, I pull up little
arisings one at a time and I say, is that the object? So in other
words I'll pull up if I started with… Well, to do it with the self,
someone comes to me and says, I'm unworthy, and I just feel like
nobody likes me, I'm depressed, such and such. What I'll say is, is
the thought, I'm unworthy, and is that the person? Because all
these thoughts seem to be describing or pointing to the person but
we ought to be able to find is the object, the person. If we can't
find them then they might experience the emptiness of that object
and experience the emptiness would be that no-self. So let's ask
the question, is this thought, I'm unworthy, if the thought itself is
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