Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
well now I'm in my car, I have my feet, there's the car by the tree,
and my feet are right there too. But that thought is one thought
appearing, and one mental image, and you can't have that as long
as you have… I'm sorry, if you move to the image of your favorite
restaurant you lose that image of the car-tree-feet-image.
[Laughs] One really neat thing I was going to share with you, I
was doing an interview in New York and the guy was saying, he
was more interested in speaking about this in terms of God, which
I think is beautiful, and he said that whenever he was self-centered
he pushed God out of the way. I said; try to have a thought of
yourself and the thought of God at the same time. You can only
have one or the other, and it helped him see what thought is doing
its dividing up reality into parts that aren't really there. And so the
idea of a self-chasing enlightenment or self-chasing God becomes
clear when you see that both the self is a thought and the
enlightenment is a thought, or the self is a thought, and God is a
thought. Then it takes you beyond that idea that you're going to
somehow think your way into it, and you start to see the illusory
nature of these thoughts and what they're doing.
TRIP: Exactly. However, you edified me again in an area that's
easy to get into which is that you say living realization is not
permanently getting rid of thought either.
SCOTT KILOBY: Right.
TRIP: And I know that for me for a long time there I really felt like
I can judge my dissolving here as an ego by how little thought is
going on in my head, but that's not really where it's at.
SCOTT KILOBY: It is part of the Middle-Way for me, the Middle-
Way being this is not a realization in which you're completely free
of thought, or the opposite where you're doing nothing but
thinking. There's a middle way in which there's a sense that
there's a non-conceptual realization that at the core there are
divisions until a thought arises, and when the thought arises it
seems to creative a division, whether it's between the self and
other or between inside and outside, or any other duality. And so
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