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Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
couldn't find it, I only kept finding my own thoughts and feelings,
the sensations. And so I started to experience people as being
right here in myself. What was funny about it is even the people
that I would get angry at, I would experience them right here with
me, like they were right here. It's not like they were out there,
because the thoughts, my only access to them were through my
thoughts and my feelings, and my sensations, which were also
happening intimately right here. But it just took out the
separation, and Greg, I was very grateful to him for giving me
those phrases, he introduced me to look at it that way. Because it
keeps the juice in life, because it's like, we can still have our
relationships and be in this world, this Mystery of this world, but
at the same time we can be here without that sense of separation.
TRIP: I like to pick out things in the writings of the teachers that I
read, and some of the ones that I've picked out here that really
struck me, as simple as they are. One of the things you say is
notice that two thoughts never exist at the same time and that the
first object of thought has to disappear for another to take its
place. That is a hellacious proof right there.
SCOTT KILOBY: Yes.
TRIP: Can you talk about that, because that was one of the… The
Wizard is laughing. That's like a really solid proof that objects
don't appear without a thought, because you can't do two at once.
WIZARD: I love that. [Laughing]
SCOTT KILOBY: Right. But they happen so fast that we don't see
it, but what I'll take people through is I'll say look at the image of a
tree, if I say the word tree, look at the image of a tree in your
mind's eye, or in awareness, and then a tree pops up And then I'll
say now look at the image of a car, and you see how in order to see
the car, you have to drop the tree image, you can't have them both
at once. And if I say now look at the image of your feet as a mental
image, and see if you're going to talk about the feet, you can't have
also the tree, and the car. And then of course somebody will say,
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