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<strong>Conversations</strong> <strong>with</strong> <strong>Avant</strong>-<strong>garde</strong> <strong>Sages</strong><br />

and they were totally running around playing together, just for<br />

fun, for no reason. <strong>The</strong>re's no socio-biological play as part of what<br />

we are. <strong>The</strong>n what's happened is we've turned it into competition,<br />

which is really just insane cooperation, because sports are just<br />

cooperation, we agree on the rules and then we pretend we<br />

compete. So we have to cooperate for the whole thing to look like<br />

this theatre of competition, which is why sometimes it's just fun, I<br />

think that's what makes us crazy in some ways as a society,<br />

because we're constantly competing to win, but we have to agree<br />

on the rules.<br />

TRIP: So do you have any ideas, and maybe you don't, but how do<br />

people tap into their playful nature because we all have one, but<br />

especially I think women are almost naturally more playful<br />

somehow than men? Men, we get very bound up in all kinds of<br />

worldly stuff that we want to manage, and control, and master,<br />

and we get sullen, and miss the opportunity. Here you're a very<br />

playful man, that's why the women love you so much [Laughs]. Is<br />

there a key?<br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: <strong>The</strong> men love me too! [Laughter]<br />

TRIP: What’s the key? I love you too. I love you too, Benjamin.<br />

BENJAMIN SMYTHE: <strong>The</strong> key is to discover that you're doing<br />

that so you can get a woman, so you just stop and then there's a<br />

great… the guy who runs the wine thing, Gary something, I forget,<br />

but he says you need to stop doing things you hate. So if you want<br />

to start playing, first you have to stop doing all the things you can't<br />

stand, and then seemingly that will make room. Like I don't<br />

necessarily have to know what I want, I just have to know what I<br />

don't want. And if I just stay away from that, seemingly what I<br />

want will come out and just start to play around. <strong>The</strong>re's not a<br />

formula again, so it's very just case-by-case, person-by-person.<br />

<strong>The</strong> way a brain is constructed, or a personality is constructed, it's<br />

a fascinating thing. <strong>The</strong>re's not some like across the board, well if<br />

you do this then you'll be fine. It's like everyone's so different, we<br />

come from such different backgrounds and experiences. But my<br />

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