Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
on presence, and in fact your whole teaching is that presence is a
palliative medicine for everything.
SCOTT KILOBY: Yes.
TRIP: And so can you talk about your addiction and then your
Natural Rest method?
SCOTT KILOBY: Yes. I won't go into all the details, because my
story of addiction is like so many other stories, there are just so
many of us that have suffered in that way. But I just early on
started using drugs and alcohol to escape and then it became to
where I had no choice, but I had to take something just to feel,
quote “normal”, and to function. And then it got so bad that it had
totally taken over my life, and I had really, really gotten to a place
where my health was being threatened, my life was really being
threatened, because of what I was doing to myself. And I just had
one of those moments where I knew that, as I say, one more drug
is too many, but a thousand is never enough. So it was one of
those crossroad moments where it was like I knew something had
to change and it did change, and I was able to get clean off the
drugs. But what I found is that the core element of seeking didn't
really leave me, it's like this substance got taken from my hands,
and I felt freedom from the substances that I had been… but I
noticed that it shifted towards other things, it would shift towards
food, it would shift towards self-improvement, it would shift
towards all these other things, and then eventually it shifted
towards enlightenment. But I noticed the underlying thing that
was there was just this sense that there was something missing
and something wrong.
And finally I met the nondual message, and what it was telling me
is that if you'll relax into your very presence Now that before your
name, before your story, before anything that arises, even a
craving energy, or anything else, and just relax in the space in
which all that stuff is happening, the stuff that wanted to pull you
into the next moment, or to reach for that object, those energy
arisings began to lose their power, and they start to be seen just as
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