Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
I've ever read, really. I think it's a masterpiece. So not to diminish
that accomplishment, but I wanted to share something with you
that’s curious and I thought you could comment on it. I have felt
that way to some degree about each of the last 10 or 15 books that
I've read and so therefore I'm feeling the experience of joy and
enlightenment that comes from reading a book like that is not
necessarily a quality of the book itself, something else is going on.
What do you think that is that's going on there?
SCOTT KILOBY: Gosh, it's quite a Mystery, isn't it? Because if it
were just about like reading a book, and when you read a book like
that I think the ultimate point is that we don't walk away having
memorized the ideas, because the ideas are great, and the ideas
can be helpful, but the ideas are like little tools, . One thing I talk
about is if you use a wrench to fix a toaster, once you're done with
the wrench, you put the wrench away and you just enjoy the toast,
and something happens, that's having the toast, eating the toast,
that was the point of it, it wasn't to carry the wrench around for
the rest of your life. And so something happens, that's why I call it
living realization, something happens in our experience that we
use the words and the pointers to bring us to the experience of
that, and we don't have to completely discard the words because
we can't really ever discard language, if we're ever going to
communicate we never can really discard the words, but we can
see that our experience is there's something else here that's
happening that's not just a bunch of words, that it's an energetic
experience of life. And that's what those words are there to help
people find in their own experience, and that to me is the
mysterious part. I don't have the answers, I can only say here are
the tools that helped me, why don't you try these tools and see if
they help you.
TRIP: Most great teachers like you don't particularly care to talk
about their own personal story, because they don't feel it's all that
relevant, but you suffered you say through 20 years of addiction,
and not much helped. And I thought it might be interesting just
briefly to talk about that, because it led to you developing a
Natural Rest, which is a holistic addiction recovery method based
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