Conversations with Avant-garde Sages - The Wizard LLC

Conversations with Avant-garde Sages
out of something other than awareness, such as mind or matter.
But what is strange is that although we have this deep
presumption, nobody has ever found this stuff called mind or
matter independent of awareness.
TRIP: So if you take that rock, that bedrock away from almost
everyone for whom that is the bedrock, where should the person
stand? Where do you stand? What’s your bedrock?
RUPERT: In awareness.
TRIP: So I wanted to ask you, I thought you did an amazing job of
parsing out the sleep state thing. Okay? Sleep, the dream of sleep,
dreaming and conscious states, which are not actually states. But,
I spent months wrestling with Ramana Maharshi’s descriptions of
the various states and how “I” is present throughout all, whatever.
But, you had a beautiful way of explaining how in fact they aren’t
really states, there’s a difference in the quality of the objects that
appear within the dreaming state and the conscious state and their
absence in dreamless sleep. And that’s the defining characteristic.
Not in fact that we’re unconscious if you will.
RUPERT: Yes.
TRIP: That was very, very, very interesting, could you elaborate
that?
RUPERT: Yes. They’re states from the point of view of the waking
state.
TRIP: Exactly.
RUPERT: But from the point of view of awareness, which is the
only real point of view, there are no states because awareness is
always simply knowing itself. And what are called states, the
waking state, dreams, images, these are all, as it were,
modulations of its own being. So, you could say that when you
open your laptop there are three different qualities that appear.
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